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Philly is going to want cost controlled prospects. This trade' date=' depending on how much money Philly is sending with Burnett, will involve 2 or 3 of Bridwell, Keller, Kline, Walker type prospects.[/quote']

For a 37 year old pitcher with a 4.08 era in the NL East who's making 16 million this year and has a mutual option for next year. They would have to eat a lot of the money just to get 1 C prospect, much less 2-3 of them!

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Chen is our left-hander. Burnett? He can be our extra pitcher. I'm sure we will need one.

With Gausman up for good now, we already have an extra SP. Also, Burnett would likely be our 6th or 7th best SP. If we're gonna make a trade, I'd rather bring in a bullpen arm or a LH OF.

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For a 37 year old pitcher with a 4.08 era in the NL East who's making 16 million this year and has a mutual option for next year. They would have to eat a lot of the money just to get 1 C prospect, much less 2-3 of them!

I'm certain that Philadelphia would like to be rid of his contract.

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With Gausman up for good now, we already have an extra SP. Also, Burnett would likely be our 6th or 7th best SP. If we're gonna make a trade, I'd rather bring in a bullpen arm or a LH OF.

The more pitching, the better.

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For a 37 year old pitcher with a 4.08 era in the NL East who's making 16 million this year and has a mutual option for next year. They would have to eat a lot of the money just to get 1 C prospect, much less 2-3 of them!

And they will, but it's going to command more than just 1 C-level prospect.

Philly has all the money in the world. They aren't us, they don't need to dump salary. Paying 7.5 million next year for a 4 or 5th starter, is about right for them. What they want is to start rebuilding the farm, and they have said they are willing to eat salary to do it.

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And they will' date=' but it's going to command more than just 1 C-level prospect.

Philly has all the money in the world. They aren't us, they don't need to dump salary. Paying 7.5 million next year for a 4 or 5th starter, is about right for them. What they want is to start rebuilding the farm, and they have said they are willing to eat salary to do it.[/quote']

This is not rocket science. His age, his cost, his performance, their standings, and his option for next year. They will be looking to get younger next year. No reason to pay 15 million for a 38 year old pitcher when you have no chance of contending. If Philly declines their option on his contract next year, there is NO chance Burnett accepts it for 7.5. He declines it also and looks for better deal. Like the one he got this year.

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This is not rocket science. His age, his cost, his performance, their standings, and his option for next year. They will be looking to get younger next year. No reason to pay 15 million for a 38 year old pitcher when you have no chance of contending.

But its also not desperation. They don't NEED to dump salary. They would be more than willing to pay him 7.5 next year to be their 4th starter. Philly isn't going to carry out a fire sale. I think their GM thinks that they have enough talent to compete next year, and I don't think they want to sell a "rebuild" to their fans. This isn't a team looking to just get rid of anybody for the sake of clearing payroll. They are probably going to keep most people, and I wouldn't be shocked if they kept just about everyone. They aren't going to trade away their veteran players just to dump salary. They don't "need" to dump salary. They will make the trade if they get a good prospect return, or pay Burnett 7.5 million to pitch next year.

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This is not rocket science. His age, his cost, his performance, their standings, and his option for next year. They will be looking to get younger next year. No reason to pay 15 million for a 38 year old pitcher when you have no chance of contending. If Philly declines their option on his contract next year, there is NO chance Burnett accepts it for 7.5. He declines it also and looks for better deal. Like the one he got this year.

He would retire rather than pitch for 7.5.

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They will make the trade if they get a good prospect return' date=' or pay Burnett 7.5 million to pitch next year.[/quote']

Which is exactly my point and what I said.

They would have to eat a lot of the money just to get 1 C prospect, much less 2-3 of them!
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