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Givens still might pan out, can we send then a different second round bust instead? Maybe Esposito?
...he was playing his last high school game on that Saturday, in the Non-Public B state title game against St. Mary's of Rutherford.

There was a huge crowd at Toms River North High School as folks from all over the state wanted to see the kid who had been selected so high in the draft. He never got into the batter's box through four innings because he went straight from the on-deck circle to first base with three intentional walks.

St. Mary's finally decided to pitch to him in the fifth. He took three straight balls - none even close to the strike zone.

It was clear one of the best high school hitters in the country wasn't going to get a chance to swing, not even once, in the last game of his career.

But the 3-0 pitch was a strike.

And Rowell hit it so far it looked as if it was going to bounce off the boardwalk in Seaside Heights.

"Rowell rhymes with Wow," I wrote that day.

http://articles.philly.com/2012-05-19/sports/31766190_1_mike-trout-bryce-harper-bat

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They don't need Burnett. They don't need to spend the money or have the roster clogged. Think Jim Thome trade.

Thome was a DH in a league that didn't allow DHing, and Philly got decent value in return for him.

Whose roster spot is Burnett taking? Philly can opt out of his contract at the end of this year, and either not have to pay him, or pay 7.5 million for a number 3 or 4 starter. That sounds about right.

I promise you, its Baltimore calling Philly. Not Philly calling Baltimore saying, "please take on this horrible contract, we will take scrubs to get out of it."

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Thome was a DH in a league that didn't allow DHing' date=' and Philly got decent value in return for him.

Whose roster spot is Burnett taking? Philly can opt out of his contract at the end of this year, and either not have to pay him, or pay 7.5 million for a number 3 or 4 starter. That sounds about right.

I promise you, its Baltimore calling Philly. Not Philly calling Baltimore saying, "please take on this horrible contract, we will take scrubs to get out of it."[/quote']I promise you. Philly is calling lots of people. About Byrd, Burnett, Chooch, Lee, and Paplebon.

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Philly got decent value in return for him.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=simon-000kyl

Kyle Simon' date=' started the season at AAA, sent back to AA after putting up 9.42 era in 10 apperances 14.1 innings 19 hits, 15 earned runs, 10 walks, 8 K's and a whip of 2.023

Gabriel Lino

[url']http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=lino--001gab[/url] 2 years later he's still in A+, started the season in A ball, where he put up

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then got promoted to high A and is currently putting up

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I promise you. Philly is calling lots of people.

I doubt it. They actually seem kind of content to keep all their players, which is weird considering they should be big time sellers. But of the few players they might be calling teams to see if they would be interested in trading, Burnett, Byrd, Paps, it isn't begging teams to give them a bag of balls in return for salary relief. Philly is probably saying, "We will eat salary to get these players to a good market value, what would you be willing to trade us?"

Now the O's might fleece Philly because their GM is probably the worst in baseball, but I'd have to think that even an incompetent GM could get more than what you are offering for Burnett.

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I doubt it. They actually seem kind of content to keep all their players' date=' which is weird considering they should be big time sellers. But of the few players they might be calling teams to see if they would be interested in trading, Burnett, Byrd, Paps, it isn't begging teams to give them a bag of balls in return for salary relief. Philly is probably saying, "We will eat salary to get these players to a good market value, what would you be willing to trade us?"

Now the O's might fleece Philly because their GM is probably the worst in baseball, but I'd have to think that even an incompetent GM could get more than what you are offering for Burnett.[/quote']

Fiscal responsibility is the new in thing among ownership groups. Especially those who will be firing their GM.

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http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=simon-000kyl

Kyle Simon, started the season at AAA, sent back to AA after putting up 9.42 era in 10 apperances 14.1 innings 19 hits, 15 earned runs, 10 walks, 8 K's and a whip of 2.023

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=lino--001gab 2 years later he's still in A+, started the season in A ball, where he put up

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then got promoted to high A and is currently putting up

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In hindsight, most trades for prospects look bad. But at the time, nobody thought Philly got fleeced for Thome. He was washed up, and in return the Phillies got some guys that were probably going to be organizational hands their entire career, with one maybe becoming a 2 WAR catcher if his bat picked up a little. That was about right for Thome.

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In hindsight' date=' most trades for prospects look bad. But at the time, nobody thought Philly got fleeced for Thome. He was washed up, and in return the Phillies got some guys that were probably going to be organizational hands their entire career, with one maybe becoming a 2 WAR catcher if his bat picked up a little. That was about right for Thome.[/quote']

There were people here to hated the trade. Especially giving up Lino.

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Is Burnett THAT bad of a contract going forward?

Not at all. Besides, Philly seems to be bucking that trend. They've made a pointed effort NOT to reduce payroll. They're very concerned about what a rebuilding scenario will do to attendance.

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There were people here to hated the trade. Especially giving up Lino.

I know, I was lurking at the time, that's why I said Philly got value for Thome. They didn't call Baltimore and say, "Please take this contract off our hands, we will take anything." Which is what some posters appear to be suggesting they are doing with Burnett. The Phillies got as good of a deal back for Thome as they could possibly get. And at the time, it with such a good deal that many people on this board hated it.

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Not at all. Besides, Philly seems to be bucking that trend. They've made a pointed effort NOT to reduce payroll. They're very concerned about what a rebuilding scenario will do to attendance.

Considering at this moment they have nothing to rebuild with.

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Not at all. Besides, Philly seems to be bucking that trend. They've made a pointed effort NOT to reduce payroll. They're very concerned about what a rebuilding scenario will do to attendance.

Yep. Which is why they aren't trading Burnett for a bucket of balls. They are only going to give him up if they get a decent prospect haul back.

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