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I can remember Buck replacing both Quintinilla and Casilla with Flaherty for late inning defense. If he were a poor defensive SS, Buck would have DD get him a better one. I think I'll trust Buck's eye test over yours. :rolleyestf:

Well that certainly wasn't the case in 2012, when Flaherty played exactly 1 inning at SS. Which came in May - well before the O's had Quintanilla. In fact, once he was on the roster, Quintanilla became the replacement for Hardy. Not Flaherty. Hell, Andino played more games at short than Flaherty did in 2012.

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Well that certainly wasn't the case in 2012, when Flaherty played exactly 1 inning at SS. Which came in May - well before the O's had Quintanilla. In fact, once he was on the roster, Quintanilla became the replacement for Hardy. Not Flaherty. Hell, Andino played more games at short than Flaherty did in 2012.
Well since those guys must have been superior SS to Flaherty, I wonder why we kept Flash over them as our UTIF. His bat? :rolleyestf:
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Says you. :rolleyestf: You need at least 2 years at a given position for defensive metrics to have any meaning. About 2500 Innings

There's a difference between unreliable and meaningless. If someone hits .200 in 100 PAs that's an unreliable estimate of his true talent. But it is some evidence that he's unlikely to really be a .380 hitter, or even a .325 hitter.

It's probably not all that often that a plus shortstop has 25 games of a -8. Could happen. But not real often.

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I think you don't know Dan and Buck then. I think the Orioles will always spend 25000 to take a look at someone.

You don't think that the roster spot is not more valuable for a competing team? They may take someone, but they shouldn't force themselves to keep a guy for the whole season.

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You don't think that the roster spot is not more valuable for a competing team? They may take someone, but they shouldn't force themselves to keep a guy for the whole season.

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I think that for spring training at least that the roster spot is not an issue. They did not force the issue this year. But the saw what they wanted to see.

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You don't think that the roster spot is not more valuable for a competing team? They may take someone, but they shouldn't force themselves to keep a guy for the whole season.

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Well the pick from last season sure had a convenient "injury" the same thing could happen next season.

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This is a lazy response. You're basically making a proclamation with no evidence to back it up, then -- when challenged on it -- still providing no evidence and instead asking someone else to do the legwork to prove you wrong.

According to FanGraphs, Flaherty has a career -4 defensive runs saved at shortstop. He has a negative UZR at both shortstop and third base. So the advanced defensive numbers (which are admittedly not perfect) indicate that he's not above average at either of those positions. I'd say he can play OK defense at short and third and is above average at 2B.

Now, back to you. What evidence is there that Flaherty can play above average defense at three positions?

I didn't try, not because I'm lazy (although thanks for the insult) but because I don't trust defensive metrics as much as I trust my eyes. My eyes tell me, given experience, flaherty will be very good. Your metrics are questionable and your sample size is pitiful. So, there is no proof either way

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If Almanzar stayed on the roster for 162, Young would have been gone, right?

Correct. But they knew that he was someone worth trading for if they got the chance. Almanzar was always Manny insurance. Besides. It was Pearce that got released for Delmon.

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There's a difference between unreliable and meaningless. If someone hits .200 in 100 PAs that's an unreliable estimate of his true talent. But it is some evidence that he's unlikely to really be a .380 hitter, or even a .325 hitter.

It's probably not all that often that a plus shortstop has 25 games of a -8. Could happen. But not real often.

In 238 IN Flaherty has an actual UZR of -1.3. I'd say that is very unreliable as an indicator of his ability. But to cite from those 238 IN an UZR/150 of -8.3 as indicative of anything remotely resembling his ability is more than meaningless, it's specious.
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