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I agree, Wilcard. We just disagree on him pushing Schoop in ST. He'll have a chance to prove himself at Norfolk and wait for an opportunity.

Navarro has an opportunity to show Buck what he can do in ST. That is a good thing. Schoop has a chance to show Buck that his mental approach has improved at the plate in ST. Buck will be watching both.

I agree that Schoop has a big edge. He was the starting 2B on the AL East Division Champs. Buck knows he can play defense like crazy. But Buck is not going to sit there and watch him K for long. Not if he has a guy ready to step in.

I agree that the odds are that Navarro goes to Norfolk and only gets the call if Schoop doesn't show decent improvement with his hitting. That makes sense. And I have no idea whether Schoop's hitting will improve. It really hasn't been where it needs to be since he played for the Shorebirds in 2011. That was a long time ago.

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Navarro has an opportunity to show Buck what he can do in ST. That is a good thing. Schoop has a chance to show Buck that his mental approach has improved at the plate in ST. Buck will be watching both.

I agree that Schoop has a big edge. He was the starting 2B on the AL East Division Champs. Buck knows he can play defense like crazy. But Buck is not going to sit there and watch him K for long. Not if he has a guy ready to step in.

I agree that the odds are that Navarro goes to Norfolk and only gets the call if Schoop doesn't show decent improvement with his hitting. That makes sense. And I have no idea whether Schoop's hitting will improve. It really hasn't been where it needs to be since he played for the Shorebirds in 2011. That was a long time ago.

The problem for this theory is that Schoop will hit the spring training fastballs.

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When I saw this thread and saw "Navarro should be pushing Schoop this Spring" I thought, "yeah, pushing him down a flight of stairs this spring would be just about the only way Navarro would get the starting job". What problem do you guys have with Schoop? You've got to spend some time developing guys, and if Navarro has an OPS of .650 is that really better than starting Schoop and seeing if he takes a jump this year?

I notice a lot of anti-Aruba sentiment in this thread. Go listen to a Beach Boys song, and kick back and relax.

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When I saw this thread and saw "Navarro should be pushing Schoop this Spring" I thought, "yeah, pushing him down a flight of stairs this spring would be just about the only way Navarro would get the starting job". What problem do you guys have with Schoop? You've got to spend some time developing guys, and if Navarro has an OPS of .650 is that really better than starting Schoop and seeing if he takes a jump this year?

I notice a lot of anti-Aruba sentiment in this thread. Go listen to a Beach Boys song, and kick back and relax.

You mean Curacoa, right? Or did I miss someone bringing up Sidney Ponson?

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When I saw this thread and saw "Navarro should be pushing Schoop this Spring" I thought, "yeah, pushing him down a flight of stairs this spring would be just about the only way Navarro would get the starting job". What problem do you guys have with Schoop? You've got to spend some time developing guys, and if Navarro has an OPS of .650 is that really better than starting Schoop and seeing if he takes a jump this year?

I notice a lot of anti-Aruba sentiment in this thread. Go listen to a Beach Boys song, and kick back and relax.

Yeah, we are really down on Schoop because we are anti-Aruba. Actually he is from Curacao, and the reason we are down on him is his .244 OBP. Of players with >400 ABs, Schoop literally had the WORST OBP in MLB. You say his power makes up for it? His SLG was #181 out of 202. By any metric he was one of the worst hitters in the game last year. He is great at turning the DP but I don't see his range as any better than average. Overall 0.6 WAR. If Navarro can be replacement level he will be as good as Schoop. I am very torn because I want Schoop to develop as an everyday player but he seems to be overmatched against MLB pitching. I am just not sure what the answer is, but I would be fine with sending him down, if nothing else to manage his service clock.

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When I saw this thread and saw "Navarro should be pushing Schoop this Spring" I thought, "yeah, pushing him down a flight of stairs this spring would be just about the only way Navarro would get the starting job". What problem do you guys have with Schoop? You've got to spend some time developing guys, and if Navarro has an OPS of .650 is that really better than starting Schoop and seeing if he takes a jump this year?

I notice a lot of anti-Aruba sentiment in this thread. Go listen to a Beach Boys song, and kick back and relax.

Defense is not a problem when it comes to Schoop and he will likely be a top flight second baseman in the power department as well. People like to think one year at a time, but Schoop is a next 5 year solution. You run him out there every night and watch him grow. When the light goes on there will be some fireworks from Schoop. Some of the stuff he swings at bothers me, but the same could be same about Adam Jones and I am excited to have him as an Oriole.

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Yeah, we are really down on Schoop because we are anti-Aruba. Actually he is from Curacao, and the reason we are down on him is his .244 OBP. Of players with >400 ABs, Schoop literally had the WORST OBP in MLB. You say his power makes up for it? His SLG was #181 out of 202. By any metric he was one of the worst hitters in the game last year. He is great at turning the DP but I don't see his range as any better than average. Overall 0.6 WAR. If Navarro can be replacement level he will be as good as Schoop. I am very torn because I want Schoop to develop as an everyday player but he seems to be overmatched against MLB pitching. I am just not sure what the answer is, but I would be fine with sending him down, if nothing else to manage his service clock.

Yes, the raw numbers are bad, but consider the context.

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=400&type=8&season=2014&month=0&season1=2014&ind=0&team=&rost=&age=14,22&filter=&players=

The glass half full argument is he was one of the five best 22 and under position players on the planet last year. Most of his contemporaries haven't earned MLB playing time yet. He played World Series hero and agemate Xander Bogaerts to a standstill and no one's suggesting minor league journeymen are going to push him.

Schoop 2014 reminds of Bedard 2004. At an organizational weak spot, a baby is thrust into a starting position, and keeps his head above water. The ability to survive all season long at that level of inexperience is a sign of considerable talent.

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Yes, the raw numbers are bad, but consider the context.

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=400&type=8&season=2014&month=0&season1=2014&ind=0&team=&rost=&age=14,22&filter=&players=

The glass half full argument is he was one of the five best 22 and under position players on the planet last year. Most of his contemporaries haven't earned MLB playing time yet. He played World Series hero and agemate Xander Bogaerts to a standstill and no one's suggesting minor league journeymen are going to push him.

Schoop 2014 reminds of Bedard 2004. At an organizational weak spot, a baby is thrust into a starting position, and keeps his head above water. The ability to survive all season long at that level of inexperience is a sign of considerable talent.

Nice analogy, thanks.

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Curacao is so small that if it is blue, they put it in drinks at the bar. The entire country, seriously.

I was joking about the anti-Aruba comment, but in all seriousness, I don't think Navarro has a shot of starting over Schoop. Buck seems to like him, and I think he'll improve over time. OrioleDog did a really good job explaining how he's developing alongside his peers. I would love to have Bogaerts as well!

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