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Putting it out there, do you think it is better this happens as prospects or after they've reached the majors? I would rather us have our issues when they are in the minors vs the majors like Oakland and Tampa is going through.

If rather it not count toward service time, so yeah, better as prospects.

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This lends towards keeping as many pitching prospects.

Hader, ERod, and Arrieta still have elbows more or less in one piece. Bundy, Harvey, and Klein do not.

Arrieta couldnt pitch in the AL East.

E-Rod is in AAA, not good enough for a last place club with SP woes.

Nothing says that Hader or E-Rod for that matter, wont have elbow issues before they get to the majors.

There is no magic potion to drink to keep from having elbow problems.

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Putting it out there, do you think it is better this happens as prospects or after they've reached the majors? I would rather us have our issues when they are in the minors vs the majors like Oakland and Tampa is going through.
If rather it not count toward service time, so yeah, better as prospects.

I mostly agree but with the shelf life of TJ surgery running around seven years if a guy gets one too early then they might blow it out again while the player is under team control.

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Arrieta couldnt pitch in the AL East.

E-Rod is in AAA, not good enough for a last place club with SP woes.

Nothing says that Hader or E-Rod for that matter, wont have elbow issues before they get to the majors.

There is no magic potion to drink to keep from having elbow problems.

"Not good enough" makes you sound so silly...

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Harvey was a solid bet. Father played, mechanics solid, wasn't abused.

Pitching is just rough.

Spoke to scouts (two from same organization) last summer that disliked the arm action and thought he didn't decelerate as well as they'd like. Both said they worried about him staying healthy without tweaks (though both also said guessing at timing for future injury is impossible).

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Fair enough.

But, do you disagree that Boston is having SP problems.

I thought ERod was their top prospect and some thought he would make the parent club in ST.

E has been tremendous at Pawtucket. They likely want to bring him up when they think he's ready regardless of the MLB team's current needs. Considering he's just 22, they likely don't want to rush him.

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And i am curious again about the direct correlation of velocity spikes and ucl tears. It almost seems like sometimes while that ucl is fraying the velocity goes up somehow and then ucl rips.

Wouldn't a more likely explanation be that pitchers sometimes overthrow to boost velocity (maybe to impress scouts), which puts too much pressure on the elbow?

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E has been tremendous at Pawtucket. They likely want to bring him up when they think he's ready regardless of the MLB team's current needs. Considering he's just 22, they likely don't want to rush him.

I like Ed Rod. He was one of my favorites to follow in the minors. But he's overrated. He's a sinker/slider guy. A reliever in the AL East. Only thing that changed about him was the Boston hype machine and maybe a chip on his shoulder from being traded. Hader, I've never seen pitch. Looks like Houston is taking it slow with him.

Seems like teams are valuing "prospects" more than ever. If someone gets bold/risky they could really take advantage of that. It's just so hard to produce a home grown starting pitcher. Look at Gausman. Has all the tools. Stayed reasonably healthy. Still hasn't put it all together consistently in the majors. So even if they stay healthy they could never adjust to getting MLB'ers out.

I bet Davies will be the best of the bunch. Put a strong defense behind him and a good back end of the pen and he'll be another Gonzo.

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I like Ed Rod. He was one of my favorites to follow in the minors. But he's overrated. He's a sinker/slider guy. A reliever in the AL East. Only thing that changed about him was the Boston hype machine and maybe a chip on his shoulder from being traded. Hader, I've never seen pitch. Looks like Houston is taking it slow with him.

Seems like teams are valuing "prospects" more than ever. If someone gets bold/risky they could really take advantage of that. It's just so hard to produce a home grown starting pitcher. Look at Gausman. Has all the tools. Stayed reasonably healthy. Still hasn't put it all together consistently in the majors. So even if they stay healthy they could never adjust to getting MLB'ers out.

I bet Davies will be the best of the bunch. Put a strong defense behind him and a good back end of the pen and he'll be another Gonzo.

Just the hype machine, his velocity, his K rate and his walk rate.

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Fair enough.

But, do you disagree that Boston is having SP problems.

I thought ERod was their top prospect and some thought he would make the parent club in ST.

No one truly thought he would make the team out of ST. Who are these people that thought so?

And ERod is likely behind Barnes. It is silly to say that he isn't called up because he isn't good enough.

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I like Ed Rod. He was one of my favorites to follow in the minors. But he's overrated. He's a sinker/slider guy. A reliever in the AL East. Only thing that changed about him was the Boston hype machine and maybe a chip on his shoulder from being traded. Hader, I've never seen pitch. Looks like Houston is taking it slow with him.

Seems like teams are valuing "prospects" more than ever. If someone gets bold/risky they could really take advantage of that. It's just so hard to produce a home grown starting pitcher. Look at Gausman. Has all the tools. Stayed reasonably healthy. Still hasn't put it all together consistently in the majors. So even if they stay healthy they could never adjust to getting MLB'ers out.

I bet Davies will be the best of the bunch. Put a strong defense behind him and a good back end of the pen and he'll be another Gonzo.

Good post. I watched Ed-Rod live an awful lot. And I always had hopes for him.

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