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Nah.

We see him that way. No one else does. He's had a cup of coffee, some decent minor league numbers, is strictly a middle reliever, and is going through a positional reboot. How that lands you an impact bat, I have no idea. It's a stupid tweet, period. It's lazy and doesn't make a damn bit of sense.

Kevin Gausman

"or"

Mychal Givens

What does that even mean?

The postition switch was weeks ago Charlie Murphy. Givens is a stud.

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Duq needs to take advantage and strike...you will never see this many names available IMO

@Buster_ESPN: A flush market of outfielders now includes Cespedes, along with J. Upton, Parra, Venable, others.

DD is got to be just sitting there rubbing his hands together. This market has worked out perfectly for us. These teams will be desperate as all get out come 1pm on the 31st. #ParraandLindthenwewin

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DD is got to be just sitting there rubbing his hands together. This market has worked out perfectly for us. These teams will be desperate as all get out come 1pm on the 31st. #ParraandLindthenwewin

I'm with you. Good choices!

@jaysonst: As this story explains, #Tigers also listening on Alex Avila, Alfredo Simon, Rajai Davis, along with Price, Cespedes http://t.co/W4e672A3gA

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I'm with you. Good choices!

@jaysonst: As this story explains, #Tigers also listening on Alex Avila, Alfredo Simon, Rajai Davis, along with Price, Cespedes http://t.co/W4e672A3gA

It just keeps getting better. Detroit could be the gift that just keeps on giving. Flooding the market and selling of their whole team, all while we have a 4 game series with them starting tomorrow.

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It just keeps getting better. Detroit could be the gift that just keeps on giving. Flooding the market and selling of their whole team, all while we have a 4 game series with them starting tomorrow.

For sure, not only did they hand TB a loss after 6 perfect innings from archer but they also decided to sell lol

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/Indians">@Indians</a> acquire LHP Jayson Aquino from <a href="https://twitter.com/Pirates">@Pirates</a> for cash.</p>— MLBRosterMoves (@MLBRosterMoves) <a href="

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He might be a stud. He definitely isn't a prospect anymore. He has great numbers and projects to be a setup man, I agree. But he's not cracking on prospect lists or anything.

I think he's awesome and I would rather trade a guy like Wright or Bundy before Givens, to be perfectly and weirdly honest. I just don't think other teams value him like that.

You're not really just going straight by prospect lists still, are you? I'll take Givens. You can have Nick Castellanos.

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No.

He was the guy that would repost Twitter information in under 30 seconds.

If he was online I wouldn't even bother trying to post stuff from Twitter.

Why isn't he on the board anymore, that guy was super quick with the updates? I never bothered looking on twitter, I just came here and saw all of them.

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He might be a stud. He definitely isn't a prospect anymore. He has great numbers and projects to be a setup man, I agree. But he's not cracking on prospect lists or anything.

I think he's awesome and I would rather trade a guy like Wright or Bundy before Givens, to be perfectly and weirdly honest. I just don't think other teams value him like that.

Good on you for revising your opinion of his ceiling and season.

I don't think any of us think that Givens would be a huge get for a team. I would value him over a QO pick, which to me, is the minimum starting point when talking about any of these rentals.

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Even if we don't get any of the Detroit guys, their rotation will be in shambles if they trade Price and Simon. Right now we're looking at

Simon

Farmer

Sanchez

Price

Hopefully they trade Simon and Price and have to scramble for starters to replace them. Should be an easy 3 outta 4.

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