Jones wants say in offseason, plans to meet with Angelos

[weams]

I would imagine that those deals would be pre appoved in the budgeting process. If you can get Delmon for under $2.5M then do it. Listening to John Hart when he was on MLB Network, I got the impression that most teams don't give GM's carte blanche to sign million dollar contracts.

True. I think there is both a long and a short term budget. Without per transaction approval.

[spiritof66]

We can only hope. The MASN dispute concerns me greatly in that regard. The longer it drags on, the more likely PGA is to take a conservative approach on future payroll. Limiting future payroll commitments to limit liability if the case goes badly is risk mitigation 101 for a lawyer or program director.

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I think that's the right. In the absence of a settlement the case is likely to remain unresolved, requiring something like worst-case assumptions about MASN profits, during the coming off-season, the 2016-17 off-season, and possibly the 2017-18 off-season

[weams]

I think that's the right. In the absence of a settlement the case is likely to remain unresolved, requiring something like worst-case assumptions about MASN profits, during the coming off-season, the 2016-17 off-season, and possibly the 2017-18 off-season

I really appreciate you attending the hearings and sharing your expertise on the subject.

[El Gordo]

I think that's the right. In the absence of a settlement the case is likely to remain unresolved, requiring something like worst-case assumptions about MASN profits, during the coming off-season, the 2016-17 off-season, and possibly the 2017-18 off-season

Wasn't this the case prior to this season as well? They still increased the budget. What is different about next season. Has it become more likely that PA will lose?

[Going Underground]

True. I think there is both a long and a short term budget. Without per transaction approval.

So the money they might have to pay the Nationals is in an escrow account? If the Orioles win the case does this money go back into the budget or into the owners pockets?

[spiritof66]

Wasn't this the case prior to this season as well? They still increased the budget. What is different about next season. Has it become more likely that PA will lose?

I doubt much has changed from last off-season, other than the Orioles' views about the prospects for a settlement (about which I know nothing, as I said before). The arbitration decision is so illogical and indefensible that the Orioles may have believed, last off-season, that they had some chance of turning MLB around. They sure can't believe that now.

The Orioles did increase payroll this year over last year by a few million dollars. But from the numbers I've seen, the 2015 payroll decreased slightly relative to other MLB payrolls, which I think is the more meaningful measure. It's a rising tide, which has lifted most other boats more than it has the USS Orioles. And, as you may recall, the Orioles didn't re-sign a few players who were key parts of the 2014 division winners.

If I ran the Orioles, I would be concerned about making large payroll commitments more than a few years out since, I believe, the establishment of the Nats will continue to shrink the Orioles' market. That concern would have been heightened ever since June 30, 2014. That is when the arbitration award was issued, presenting the Orioles with the probability that much of the benefit MLB had given them to compensate for the expected erosion of their market by the Nats would be taken away from them. That probability continues, and I would think the Orioles assume in their planning that they will have to live with the diminished revenues prescribed by the arbitration award unless and until something happens to change that.

So far as I can tell, the Orioles as a business are still performing pretty well -- when I last looked, home attendance was up slightly despite the team's uninspiring performance and the city's problems this summer. I don't know whether the Orioles' share of revenues from MLB TV contracts, MLB.com, etc. or their take from revenue sharing has increased or will increase in 2015, or if so by how much.

To me, it's perfectly logical that assuming a negative outcome in the MASN case wouldn't have affected the Orioles willingness to increase the 2014 payroll (or the 2015 payroll) by a few million dollars. But it might well have affected their willingness to offer Nelson Cruz a contract that pays him $14 million in 2018, when he's not likely to be productive.

[scOtt]

Angelos's main goal is to have people come to the stadium and root for the team he owns, the Orioles. After 14 years of unsuccessfully trying to get people to the stadium without having a winning team, he finally realized that winning is what puts people in the stands.

As for DD, I do believe that DD sincerely believes that his baseball-related decisions would build a winning team. I am just questioning some of his recent decisions. I do not know if Adam Jones is questioning any of DD's decisions or not. But I do believe that AJ is sincere and also wants a winning team.

You think Angelos didn't make money EVERY YEAR of the 14 year losing streak? Bottom line is the bottom line. Angelos doesn't HAVE to win to make money. Winning costs contracts and cuts into the bottom line.

[Can_of_corn]

You think Angelos didn't make money EVERY YEAR of the 14 year losing streak? Bottom line is the bottom line. Angelos doesn't HAVE to win to make money. Winning costs contracts and cuts into the bottom line.

I think almost every team makes money in almost every year.

[weams]

So the money they might have to pay the Nationals is in an escrow account? If the Orioles win the case does this money go back into the budget or into the owners pockets?

My understanding is that they had to put the award money into escrow - yes. If they win? I have no idea. It may have come from the partners distribution or they may have had to fund it. I doubt that the Orioles per se paid any of it.

[weams]

I think almost every team makes money in almost every year.

I think that the 30 teams are all set to distribute profits annually. That is why they have the revenue sharing awards.

http://www.fangraphs.com/library/business/revenue-sharing/

[Can_of_corn]

I think that the 30 teams are all set to distribute profits annually. That is why they have the revenue sharing awards.

http://www.fangraphs.com/library/business/revenue-sharing/

I was looking backwards.

Over a 100+ years.

[scOtt]

I think almost every team makes money in almost every year.

It's big news if it gets out that a team REALLY lost money.

[scOtt]

This is an outstanding post.

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I just repped him on it. Good stuff, reasoned.

[scOtt]

I think that the 30 teams are all set to distribute profits annually. That is why they have the revenue sharing awards.

http://www.fangraphs.com/library/business/revenue-sharing/

Not to mention merch revenues. ALL equally shared. If you buy a Yankees jersey in TB at the Trop, the Orioles get their 1/30 share of the profits.

[weams]

It's big news if it gets out that a team REALLY lost money.

We have been on the debt watch list which is as close as you get to seeing a team losing money. When it owes more than it should. Recently. Real recently.