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Dan Duquette's Nightmare Year

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Redskins Rick Hangout Grand Counsel

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Ahh how cute, you mentioned my post count. (of course you got it wrong but accuracy doesn't seem to be one of your strong suits)

No one has done that in months.

I missed it so.

Guys say things all the time, look at Wright's stats with the Dodgers.

0-0 8 G 5.1 IP 2ER, 3.38 ERA as a LOOGY 5.39 FIP 1.313 WHIP 1.67 K/BB ratio.

I don't care who says it, that is not pitching "very well". That is not a "huge pickup".

I have see Matusz with better stats than that, get villianfried here in OH.

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Ahh how cute, you mentioned my post count. (of course you got it wrong but accuracy doesn't seem to be one of your strong suits)

No one has done that in months.

I missed it so.

Guys say things all the time, look at Wright's stats with the Dodgers.

0-0 8 G 5.1 IP 2ER, 3.38 ERA as a LOOGY 5.39 FIP 1.313 WHIP 1.67 K/BB ratio.

I don't care who says it, that is not pitching "very well". That is not a "huge pickup".

You just lost ALL credibility. His stats with the Dodgers? HUH? Hes on the Angels bro. I assume somebody who sits on a computer all day and posts 50K times in 4 years would know that!

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You just lost ALL credibility. His stats with the Dodgers? HUH? Hes on the Angels bro. I assume somebody who sits on a computer all day and posts 50K times in 4 years would know that!

:rofl:

You're funny.

I type Dodgers instead of Angels while actually posting stats and I lose all credibility?

Funny...and on /ignore.

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Skip literally just said last night that Wright was a huge pickup for them. So now a guy who has posted 50K times on a message board knows more than a skip with a World Series title? Are you serious bro?

More evidence skip should be kept far away from personnel decisions -- or really any decisions involving placing values on players...

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Well...I think you could also look at it another way.....look at what DD gave Buck to work with in 2015:

Best defense in baseball

Best HR hitter in baseball

Best set-up man in baseball

Top 3 closer in baseball

Best 3b in baseball

Best defensive SS in baseball

All Star CF in his prime

Top 5 2B in the AL

Returned the entire rotation that was one of the best the second half of 2014

All of that and Buck couldn't get that team to play .500 ball.

Thought provoking. For all his failures DD provided Buck with a solid team except for holes at COF and DH. They never got filled but the rest of the team, save the bullpen, under performed. Who's responsibility is that?
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Well...I think you could also look at it another way.....look at what DD gave Buck to work with in 2015:

Best defense in baseball

Best HR hitter in baseball

Best set-up man in baseball

Top 3 closer in baseball

Best 3b in baseball

Best defensive SS in baseball

All Star CF in his prime

Top 5 2B in the AL

Returned the entire rotation that was one of the best the second half of 2014

All of that and Buck couldn't get that team to play .500 ball.

I wasn't trying to pin blame on our bad season, just pointing out how awful the front office moves have been this year. And also, I think unsuccessfully, trying to point out that it is unlikely to be as bad or worse next year.

Duquette certainly did have a nightmare year. Some of it he brought on himself. Some of it was due to reasonable risks he took that could have turned out successful but almost always didn't. It will be interesting to see if the off season brings a non-stop bashfest or whether some balance finds its way into the discussion.

Yeah I really wasn't intending to bash Duquette. Like I said, I still think he is a good GM overall. The thought process on a lot of these was fine, it is just remarkable how badly everything turned out. Add in Cruz's great year, Arrieta blossoming into a Cy Young candidate, and the whole Toronto debacle and things just really snowballed on him this year. Hopefully he can get back on track this offseason.

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Well...I think you could also look at it another way.....look at what DD gave Buck to work with in 2015:

Best defense in baseball

Best HR hitter in baseball

Best set-up man in baseball

Top 3 closer in baseball

Best 3b in baseball

Best defensive SS in baseball

All Star CF in his prime

Top 5 2B in the AL

Returned the entire rotation that was one of the best the second half of 2014

All of that and Buck couldn't get that team to play .500 ball.

Duquette certainly did have a nightmare year. Some of it he brought on himself. Some of it was due to reasonable risks he took that could have turned out successful but almost always didn't. It will be interesting to see if the off season brings a non-stop bashfest or whether some balance finds its way into the discussion.
Thought provoking. For all his failures DD provided Buck with a solid team except for holes at COF and DH. They never got filled but the rest of the team, save the bullpen, under performed. Who's responsibility is that?

The players first and foremost, of course. The coaches too. But stat-heads have been saying for years that the talent level on this team was far below the results they were getting.

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I really wasn't intending to bash Duquette. Like I said, I still think he is a good GM overall. The thought process on a lot of these was fine, it is just remarkable how badly everything turned out. Add in Cruz's great year, Arrieta blossoming into a Cy Young candidate, and the whole Toronto debacle and things just really snowballed on him this year. Hopefully he can get back on track this offseason.

All good points. I agree and I have to believe that next year his luck should be better. Arrietta and to a lesser extent ERod just added insult to the injury.

He has a much different and in many respects more difficult task ahead of him this winter. IMO he still deserves the benefit of the doubt, but a little more skepticism is only fair.

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Thought provoking. For all his failures DD provided Buck with a solid team except for holes at COF and DH. They never got filled but the rest of the team, save the bullpen, under performed. Who's responsibility is that?

In my opinion it's on the players themselves. I think DD is a solid GM, and Buck is one of the best managers in the league. Way too many players under-performed, and I think that happens sometimes. Thats why I'm not too freaked out over 2016. No reason this team can't be right there fighting for a playoff spot in September 2016. And DD will have the money to fill the Davis and Chen roles.

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