Offseason Rumors and Deals Around MLB

[weams]

Yes. It's called the Forum Rules. I'm amazed this thread isn't locked.

What is the rule. I missed it?

[DrungoHazewood]

I was not taking into any consideration whatever defensive metric has bouyed Freeman so far. He seems slicker around the bag. His OPS+ for his prime years was similar to what Freeman probably will produce.

Freeman, who just turned 26 and should have some growth left, has a career wRC+ of 133, with a peak season of 150. Through 2006 Millar had a 119, with a peak of 142. Freeman is and should continue to be a better hitter. Defensively Freeman is about four runs per 500 PAs better, that's not a tremendous difference.

[DrungoHazewood]

I didn't say that. The point is Martin costs much more, and his production looks a lot like Lough's, and Lough costs a lot less money. I don't see why Martin should be a target for the Orioles.

We haven't tired of the other teams' buy-low candidates yet. Your own are just disappointments.

[weams]

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So I'll shut up.

Good stuff!

[weams]

Freddie Freeman is much taller and more athletic than Kevin. And he fits out left-handed need.

[weams]

What? What does Gausman for Freeman have to do with the OP stating "it's being reported" that DD or Buck will be gone before the season?

The rumor. Gausman for Freeman. Yay!

[Yardball85]

You must be hearing something.

I'd think real long and hard about making that trade.

I think Freeman's likely to be the more valuable player over the course of his contract vs. Guasman's controlled years.

Of course he'll make a lot more money.

And it would necessitate the O's spend even more money on the pitching staff.

But that's a real interesting thought.

I would have to think long and hard about that. Freeman is a very good first baseman and someone I would like to see us target. Overall, I think I would lean towards no because Gausman is less expensive and we are weak in SP as is.

But it's definitely something worth mulling over.

[Babypowder]

I was not taking into any consideration whatever defensive metric has bouyed Freeman so far. He seems slicker around the bag. His OPS+ for his prime years was similar to what Freeman probably will produce.

Freeman had a higher OPS+ at age 23 than Millar ever had in his career...

[Pickles]

I would have to think long and hard about that. Freeman is a very good first baseman and someone I would like to see us target. Overall, I think I would lean towards no because Gausman is less expensive and we are weak in SP as is.

But it's definitely something worth mulling over.

The bolded is the only reason I'd hesitate.

Because of organizational situation.

[Pickles]

I think the different flavors of WAR are usually close and where they're not that's an excellent conversation starter to dig into why. WAR has totally changed the game in so many good ways it's very difficult to conceive of how things were before. When you used to argue about how a trade worked out (or how it might work out) it would quickly be either unmanageable (he had 300 homers, but the other guy had 297 steals, but the first guy was a third baseman while the second guy was a left fielder, yea but there's no way to compare that stuff...) or couched in so many generalities that it was meaningless. Now the conversation starts off "well, the O's won that one 29-16 by rWAR, but you probably want to tweak that for reasons A, B, C." With WAR you can actually have an intelligent conversation backed up by a well-thought-out process that doesn't involve three days of research beforehand.

Oh yeah, that's where it gets interesting.

Sometimes though people like to use WAR to shut down the conversation. As if that's the end all be all.

This is a real interesting trade proposal.

I'm thoroughly deep in contemplation.

If we had pitching, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

We don't though. So......

[weams]

The bolded is the only reason I'd hesitate.

Because of organizational situation.

That makes good sense.

[weams]

Oh yeah, that's where it gets interesting.

Sometimes though people like to use WAR to shut down the conversation. As if that's the end all be all.

This is a real interesting trade proposal.

I'm thoroughly deep in contemplation.

If we had pitching, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

We don't though. So......

And I don't really think Freeman is Millar. Though they have some very similar attributes. I just think we have to keep Gausman. But we might trade him anyway.

[weams]

Oh yeah, that's where it gets interesting.

Sometimes though people like to use WAR to shut down the conversation. As if that's the end all be all.

This is a real interesting trade proposal.

I'm thoroughly deep in contemplation.

If we had pitching, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

We don't though. So......

WAR does not even come close to shutting down a conversation in my book. But I do believe that if they insist on putting Jeter in the Hall of Fame that they have to put his twin, Bobby Grich, in.

[weams]

WAR does not even come close to shutting down a conversation in my book. But I do believe that if they insist on putting Jeter in the Hall of Fame that they have to put his twin, Bobby Grich, in.

Gloves, Clutch.

[Redskins Rick]

WAR does not even come close to shutting down a conversation in my book. But I do believe that if they insist on putting Jeter in the Hall of Fame that they have to put his twin, Bobby Grich, in.

Most baseball fans doesn't even know who Grich is, and I suspect many Oriole fans under the age of 30, have no clue, who he is, either.

Crying shame too.