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Trade Idea...Operation: Sacred Cow

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I'm not against dealing Machado if it makes the team better going forward, but any AL East rival would have to pay through the nose to get him from me. My first thought would be working a trade with the Dodgers. They've got a fat minor league system right now and the financial resources to sign Manny to a long term contract without blinking an eye.

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Nobody should be considered untradable, but I agree with what Bob said - unless someone sells the farm for him, I'd pass at this point. We can wait a full year before making a decision. If we're talking about trading a big-time player now, it should probably be Adam Jones. He's going to be steadily losing trade value due to his age and likely decline defensively in CF. And considering we're not a likely playoff team this season, now's the time to trade him.

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Could always sign Fowler AND Jackson and trade Jones. An OF of Fowler, Jackson, and Kim wouldn't be horrible. I'm not for that, but everything needs to be done to keep Manny.

How does trading Jones help keep Manny? Other than in the every dollar saved elsewhere can be used to keep Manny sort of way? They are scheduled to hit FA at the same time. If anything, I would think dealing Jones would make Manny LESS inclined to want to stay.

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Nobody should be considered untradable, but I agree with what Bob said - unless someone sells the farm for him, I'd pass at this point. We can wait a full year before making a decision. If we're talking about trading a big-time player now, it should probably be Adam Jones. He's going to be steadily losing trade value due to his age and likely decline defensively in CF. And considering we're not a likely playoff team this season, now's the time to trade him.

People keep saying this and I don't get it. It looks like they're about to add Gallardo/Fowler. They retained Davis, O'day and Wieters. Also dealt for Trumbo and signed Kim. The team is clearly trying to make the playoffs and thinks they have a shot. You might miss, but you're guaranteed not to make it if you sell your stars.

I just don't understand the apparent certainty, especially when this team won 90+ games two seasons ago with pretty much the same core.

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People keep saying this and I don't get it. It looks like they're about to add Gallardo/Fowler. They retained Davis, O'day and Wieters. Also dealt for Trumbo and signed Kim. The team is clearly trying to make the playoffs and thinks they have a shot. You might miss, but you're guaranteed not to make it if you sell your stars.

I just don't understand the apparent certainty, especially when this team won 90+ games two seasons ago with pretty much the same core.

Some posters like to play fantasy baseball with the lineup and based their trade opinions based off their fantasy experience.

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Odorizzi is like a 3-4 to me. Also Kiermaier's minor league stats are pretty blah.

Having said that, if someone is giving me three contributors or two stud prospects plus an established guy - I'd listen.

Often I think we need to put ourselves in another team's shoes and consider whether they would take a deal we propose here on the OH. A deal consisting of David Lough and Brian Matusz wouldn't excite us on the receiving end, so we shouldn't expect another team to love it either. That said, I think you're committing the opposite mistake here in undervaluing our guy. Unless stud prospects refers to top-10 type guys and established refers to someone who is 2-3 WAR reliably, I don't see how that's close to fair value for Manny. Do you think that the Nats would accept a deal such as Cisco, Reyes (both top 100) and Schoop (calling him established, with 4 years of control) for Bryce Harper? They wouldn't consider that, so why should we entertain that for Manny?

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Some posters like to play fantasy baseball with the lineup and based their trade opinions based off their fantasy experience.

I don't even play fantasy baseball, but hey, thanks for the insult. I've been posting here since this website's beginnings, and I get a comment like that. Super.

Boh, I think they're a .500ish team - mainly because they have a poor starting rotation. The lineup and bullpen should be solid, but I don't think they're good enough to make up for the starting pitching. You suggest comparing to 2 years ago, but we don't have Chen, who was 16-6 with a 3.54 ERA, we don't have Norris - who pitched out of his mind that season, and Tillman and Gonzalez can't be expected to perform at the levels they were at - with ERA's of 3.34 and 3.23. The worst ERA of their top 4 was Norris' 3.65. Gausman's the one guy who's got a realistic shot to be as good as one of the top 4 from that year, but he was also useful that year going 7-7 3.57 in 113 innings. Getting that production from that starting pitching staff in 2014 was catching lightning in a bottle. Doing something similar with the 2016 staff is not realistic, imo.

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I don't even play fantasy baseball, but hey, thanks for the insult. I've been posting here since this website's beginnings, and I get a comment like that. Super.

Boh, I think they're a .500ish team - mainly because they have a poor starting rotation. The lineup and bullpen should be solid, but I don't think they're good enough to make up for the starting pitching. You suggest comparing to 2 years ago, but we don't have Chen, who was 16-6 with a 3.54 ERA, we don't have Norris - who pitched out of his mind that season, and Tillman and Gonzalez can't be expected to perform at the levels they were at - with ERA's of 3.34 and 3.23. The worst ERA of their top 4 was Norris' 3.65. Gausman's the one guy who's got a realistic shot to be as good as one of the top 4 from that year, but he was also useful that year going 7-7 3.57 in 113 innings. Getting that production from that starting pitching staff in 2014 was catching lightning in a bottle. Doing something similar with the 2016 staff is not realistic, imo.

Sorry, I should not lump all posters into one basket. Besides, you didn't start this tread.

I have seen so many crazy trade theories over the years in OH and before that Sun spot, and even you have to admit that.

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Sorry, I should not lump all posters into one basket. Besides, you didn't start this tread.

I have seen so many crazy trade theories over the years in OH and before that Sun spot, and even you have to admit that.

No problem, my friend. I wonder if it would be better if we had a separate forum just for trade threads - so people who don't like them can easier ignore them. Personally, I like them but get that some get po'd when their favorite players are thrown into nutty trade ideas.

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