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Machado did a fine job hitting leadoff.

They did need a RF.

Machado's production would have been a fine job anywhere in the order. We didn't have anybody who could get on base worth batting ahead of him. Now his 30+ HRs do look alot better batting after a guy with Fowler's OBP capabilities than the likes of Schoop/Hardy at the bottom of the order.

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Machado's production would have been a fine job anywhere in the order. We didn't have anybody who could get on base worth batting ahead of him. Now his 30+ HRs do look alot better batting after a guy with Fowler's OBP capabilities than the likes of Schoop/Hardy at the bottom of the order.

I think it is premature to assign Manny 30 hr/year status just yet.

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Sir Loin --- do you think the Gallardo deal still gets completed based on what you're hearing? I'm excited about signing Fowler, pending he passes the physical of course, but I still really want to get Gallardo locked in, assuming this apparent shoulder concern isn't anything serious.

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I was told "nothing to worry about."

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Sure but if there was nothing to worry about they wouldn't have prolonged the physical with more diagnostic tests. There must be something to worry about or that wouldn't be happening.

You can't possibly know that. Maybe a machine was broken or something or some doctor's car broke down.

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Sure but if there was nothing to worry about they wouldn't have prolonged the physical with more diagnostic tests. There must be something to worry about or that wouldn't be happening.

The media has blown this out the water. Kim's physical took a while to complete as well.

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How many players hit 35 homers at age 22 and don't become 30/hr a year players?

List of players who hit 35+ HRs before turning 23: Giancarlo Stanton, Ted Williams, Jimmie Foxx, Mike Trout, Bob Horner, Albert Pujols, Hal Trotsky, Frank Robinson, Alex Rodriguez, and Manny Machado. All of them (with the obvious exception of Machado) went on to have at least one more 30+ HR season, although with varying degrees of regularity.

Edit: Oops I forgot Mel Ott, Eddie Mathews, Bryce Harper, Johnny Bench, Boog Powell, Joe DiMaggio, and Juan Gonzalez.

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What's being reported isn't the Orioles normal physical. It's being reported that they saw something in the MRI and ordered more tests. Tests that wouldn't have ordered if the MRI pleased them. That's pretty much the only way to take it. The Orioles own mouthpiece is reporting it that way.

I agree that there's something the O's want more certainty about before committing $35 mm. In that sense, there's "something to worry about." But it could be that they are just bring extra careful, rather than seeing something that's really got them on the fence. I guess we'll find out tomorrow.

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The media has blown this out the water. Kim's physical took a while to complete as well.
What's being reported isn't the Orioles normal physical. It's being reported that they saw something in the MRI and ordered more tests. Tests that wouldn't have ordered if the MRI pleased them. That's pretty much the only way to take it. The Orioles own mouthpiece is reporting it that way.

Somebody earlier in the thread (or another one) posted the timeline for Kim's physical and it did take place over multiple days, with another follow-up, I believe. It may be the Orioles' normal procedure now. It makes sense that there's just increased scrutiny now because everybody wants to know when he's going to show up for Spring Training.

I'm no medical expert, but I don't think it's uncommon to do tests that involve some kind of follow up. They probably gave his shoulder the normal looking over, it seemed fine, and then later they saw something on the MRI that gave them pause. They probably want to do some additional looking over with increased attention to his shoulder now that they know what warning signs they should be looking for.

My question for you Sir_Loin, is what do the "medicals" that teams request ahead of the contract look like? Do those not include a MRI? Why would a new MRI be an issue now? At the risk of answering my own question, do the requested medicals have the old MRIs and the issue is that the new MRI looks different from the old ones?

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List of players who hit 35+ HRs before turning 23: Giancarlo Stanton, Ted Williams, Jimmie Foxx, Mike Trout, Bob Horner, Albert Pujols, Hal Trotsky, Frank Robinson, Alex Rodriguez, and Manny Machado. All of them (with the obvious exception of Machado) went on to have at least one more 30+ HR season, although with varying degrees of regularity.

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Thanks for the list.

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List of players who hit 35+ HRs before turning 23: Giancarlo Stanton, Ted Williams, Jimmie Foxx, Mike Trout, Bob Horner, Albert Pujols, Hal Trotsky, Frank Robinson, Alex Rodriguez, and Manny Machado. All of them (with the obvious exception of Machado) went on to have at least one more 30+ HR season, although with varying degrees of regularity.

Nice find. Outside of Trotsky and Horner that's some pretty rarefied air Manny's playing in. Why isn't Harper on the list?

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List of players who hit 35+ HRs before turning 23: Giancarlo Stanton, Ted Williams, Jimmie Foxx, Mike Trout, Bob Horner, Albert Pujols, Hal Trotsky, Frank Robinson, Alex Rodriguez, and Manny Machado. All of them (with the obvious exception of Machado) went on to have at least one more 30+ HR season, although with varying degrees of regularity.

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Pete Incaviglia hit 30 HRs his rookie year and never hit more than 30 in a season during the rest of his career. Same thing with Earl Williams. Ruben Sierra also hit 30 HRs at age 21 and never had another 30 HR season after that.

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