Jump to content

Does Signing Gallardo Change Our Entire Offseason?


Bahama O's Fan

Recommended Posts

I guess, when guys go long, they lose them for a 2-3 days, instead, if they keep them to 2 innings, they get them back quicker.

Yes, that's the trade. When I was a kid 30 years ago Tippy might go 2-3 innings then be unavailable for a day or two. Today essentially everyone is available for at least a batter or two every game.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Replies 52
  • Created
  • Last Reply
They have many key players transitioning to or already in their 30s. There will be decline among them as a group. Essentially all groups of players in their 30s decline, even if individuals can buck the trend.

Pretty sure only guys on other teams decline as they age. At least that is what it seems like when you read stuff here.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yes, that's the trade. When I was a kid 30 years ago Tippy might go 2-3 innings then be unavailable for a day or two. Today essentially everyone is available for at least a batter or two every game.

I loved Tippy, he was a character.

My favorite long man was Mark Williamson, who would even emergency start.

Rhodes was known to toss a few innings in that roll.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I'm not sure that Gallardo moves the needle one way or another for the rotation - more or less just holding serve.

Considering that the team is going for it now, I love that the team spent some money to put quality players on the field for 2016. I only wish that the organization would have spent the money differently. I don't want to live in the past, but looking at the money the Orioles spent, willingness to give up the picks, and the talent available, this team could have undergone a major retooling. Instead of Wieters, Davis, O'Day, Gallardo, Trumbo, Kim and (possibly) Fowler how about Zimmerman, Upton, Fowler, Alvarez, Kim, Saltalamachia, and a reliever of your choice?

Overall, as a fan I am happy with the money and effort spent to try and put a winning team on the field. I'm excited for the season to come. Offseason grade (assuming we get Fowler): B

Zimmerman made it clear that he wanted to play for a team located in the Midwest. The Nationals knew that they really had no chance to sign him. We did sign Kim, and we are reportedly close to signing Fowler. We traded for Trumbo who is considerably preferable to Alvarez. We signed O'Day and our bullpen looks real good. Not sure why you want Salty. The big determining factor between Davis and Upton as far as the Orioles are concerned is the availability of PA's money, as I understand it. All in all, I'd say the off-season that we have gotten was realistically as good as we could have gotten and many of the options that are raised really weren't do-able in real-life for one reason or another.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Zimmerman made it clear that he wanted to play for a team located in the Midwest. The Nationals knew that they really had no chance to sign him. We did sign Kim, and we are reportedly close to signing Fowler. We traded for Trumbo who is considerably preferable to Alvarez. We signed O'Day and our bullpen looks real good. Not sure why you want Salty. The big determining factor between Davis and Upton as far as the Orioles are concerned is the availability of PA's money, as I understand it. All in all, I'd say the off-season that we have gotten was realistically as good as we could have gotten and many of the options that are raised really weren't do-able in real-life for one reason or another.

I was not aware of Zimmerman's desire to play in the Midwest. Obviously I am just speculating, but I don't think Detroit is such a destination that Zimmerman wouldn't at least listen to Baltimore. Perhaps Washington had no chance to sign him because of the other b.s. associated with that organization? Zimmerman likely wouldn't have been forced to move if he didn't want to, going from Washington to Baltimore. The east coast isn't Wisconsin, but neither is Detroit. Seemingly, the Orioles didn't make an offer. Let's say Zimmerman was absolutely off the table, why not Mike Leake instead? He wouldn't have cost a pick I don't think.

As for Trumbo and Kim, I was not discounting them in either scenario - I would like to have them in both, so I didn't include them as "moving parts". I would have really liked Trumbo at 1B and invest the Davis money into Upton, then have Alvarez be the strong side of a DH platoon. Saltalamachia because he is a cheap back up catcher who can hit righties, and was linked to the organization before Wieters accepted the QO. O'Day is great, but I think we could have gone cheaper in the bullpen - Givens is ready.

Again, overall I am happy with the team and the commitment the organization has made. I just think of what other possible ways we could have improved the team given the same budget, etc.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

You have some idea how insufferable I will be, for years, if I am right about all of this.

I'll be so bad I'll start dropping birds.

Yeah, I think some senior posters are already sick of my opinion on the matter. Hey, but I'm hopeful he'll go nuts and deliver while they're competitive leading them to a title. Too much? Once in the first three years of the deal would be good.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yeah, I think some senior posters are already sick of my opinion on the matter. Hey, but I'm hopeful he'll go nuts and deliver while they're competitive leading them to a title. Too much? Once in the first three years of the deal would be good.

Hey now, I resemble that remark, and speak up, having trouble hearing you. :)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.




  • Posts

    • Yeah the amenities are pretty outdated at the yard and they seem to do nothing year over year to improve them. The touchscreens have been banged on to death to the point they barely function, so you can't accurately fill out your order at the kiosks, and they don't have a way for the people behind the counter to ring you up at many of the food places. The sound is low to non-existent in certain sections of the club level, like around 218. Seems like there should be speakers that reach there but they might have been damaged by rain, etc. and they are too lazy to fix them. If you go to a game that's even slightly busy, you will wait forever to get into the bathroom, and the sink will be an absolute mess with no soap or paper towels. It's even worse on the club level where they have one sink that's right by the door. Nearby businesses don't care, either. The Hilton parking garage reeks of decay, pot and human waste. They don't turn on the air circulation fans, even if cars are waiting for an hour and a half to exit from P3, filling up the air with carbon monoxide. They only let you enter the stadium with one 20 oz bottle of water. It's so expensive to buy a drink or water in the stadium, but with all the salty food, 20 oz of water isn't enough, especially on a hot day. Vegetarian food options are poor to none, other than things like chips, fries, hot pretzels and the occasional pizza. Vida Taco is better, but at an inconvenient location for many seats. The doors on the club level are not accessible. They're anti-accessible. Big, heavy doors you have to go through to get to/from the escalators, and big, heavy doors to get to your seats, none of them automatic (or even with the option to be automatic with a button press). Makes it hard to carry food out to your seats even if not handicapped. The furniture in the lounges on the club level seem designed to allow as few people as possible to sit down. Not great when we have so many rain delays during the season. Should put more, smaller chairs in and allow more of the club level ticket holders to have a seat while waiting for thunderstorms to pass. They keep a lot of the entrance/exit gates closed except for playoff/sellout games, which means people have to slowly "mooooo" all the way down Eutaw St to get to parking. They are too cheap to staff all the gates, so they make people exit by the warehouse, even though it would be a lot more convenient for many fans to open all the gates. Taking Light Rail would be super convenient, except that if there's at least 20k fans in attendance, it's common to have to wait 90-120 minutes to be able to board a non-full train heading toward Glen Burnie. A few trains might come by, but they are already full, or fill up fast when folks walk up to the Convention Center stop to pre-empt the folks trying to board at Camden Station. None of the garages in the area are set up to require pre-payment on entry (reservation, or give them your card / digital payment at the entrance till). If they were, emptying out the garage would be very quick, as they wouldn't need to ticket anyone on the way out: if you can't get in without paying, you can always just leave without having to stop and scan your phone or put a ticket in the machine. They shut down the Sports Legends Museum at Camden Station in 2015 because the Maryland Stadium Authority was too greedy. That place was a fun distraction if you were in the area when a game wasn't about to start, like if you show up super early on Opening Day or a playoff day. Superbook's restaurant on Eutaw is a huge downgrade from Dempsey's in terms of menu and service quality. Dempsey's used to be well-staffed, you could reserve a table online, and they had all kinds of great selection for every diet. Superbook seems like just another bar serving the same swill that the rest of the park serves, with extremely minimal and low-quality food. For that matter, most of the food at the stadium is very low quality these days. A lot of things we used to love are made to a lower standard now if they are served at all. These are gripes about the stadium and the area that haven't changed my entire adult life. Going to an O's game requires one to tolerate many small inconveniences and several major inconveniences, any number of which could easily be fixed by the relevant authorities if they gave a damn about the people who pay to come see the team play. You would think a mid-market team would be able to afford to invest in the fan experience. You would think the city and partnering organizations like garages, the Stadium Authority and MTA would at least try to do their part to make the experience enjoyable and free of kinks. You would think they would put some thought into handling the "growing pains" of the fanbase due to recent renewed interest after the dark years. Instead, all we get is the same indifference and the same annoyances year in and year out. The whole area is overdue for a revamp. Not sure if $600 mil will get it done, but at least it's a start. Hopefully they can start to patch up some of the many holes in the fan experience. If you're not going to invest in Burnes, at least make it so paying customers have an easier, more enjoyable time getting to/from the stadium and having some food while we're there.
    • Elias has only been in rebuild mode with the O's so there's not much to speculate on there.  Houston, where he spent his formative years, doesn't seem to like to be on the hook for more than a couple of big long-term contracts at any given time.  I can see that as being Elias' choice as well, albeit with a lower overall cost - Houston runs a big payroll.  But it's all guesswork.  I really don't know. If Elias takes the 2025 payroll to $150 million it will creep up to $200 million or so by 2028 just from keeping the core together.  That's where I start to wonder about sustainability due to market size, economic forces, etc., etc., etc... If it were up to me, I would add a couple of free agents this offseason even if the contracts were longer than ideal and be conservative about extensions elsewhere until the prospects establish themselves a little better.  I think there's a competitive opportunity that the team is already into that's worth exploiting. I think ownership is very happy to have Elias on board and they're not inclined to force him to do anything.  I also think Rubenstein's demonstrated business prowess is great enough to assume that he has had plenty enough time to come to a mutual understanding with Elias as to goals.
    • We need a RH O’hearn…in addition to Westburg. At least 3 batters that will push up the pitch count and cause damage in the top 5 of the lineup.
    • Boy,  that Jackson Merrill is a good young player that is playing his best ball down the season stretch and in the playoffs.   He's only 21.  I guess some young guys are able to play up to the pressure.   Who could have guessed that?
    • I’m aware.   You are arguing something im Not.
    • What agreement? The agreement you are talking about happened as a result of the move.  The MASN agreement would not have existed if Angelos had gone to court to block the move.
    • I’m saying the Os had an agreement with MLB and that should have held up.  Been pretty clear about that. 
  • Popular Contributors

×
×
  • Create New...