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I don't think you understood what I was saying. I'm more concerned with the 1000 innings that's not the point of this thread than the 450 that is the point of this thread. I'm okay with 450 innings come from depth guys. That's how things work more often than not and I'm actually okay with the likes of Worley, Wilson, Wright, Despaigne, Drake, Lee, Matusz, Bundy, McFarland, Roe, Cabral, Olmos and others taking those innings. I really don't see the Orioles depth as lacking, but as a strength. It's been what DD's done well. The weakness falls within those 1,000 innings (baring injury) that we have accounted for with our "top end" guys. The bullpen is good, so really it's the 700 innings you're attributing to Jimenez, Gallardo, Tillman and Gausman. I think all four are fine as the #3-4 starter, but as a whole that top-4 is lacking and that's where I see the Orioles' potential weakness.

Sure, anywhere you can upgrade the innings pitched--either at the back end or the top end--is good, but in relation to other teams, I think were we are lacking is in the top of the rotation not the fill-in guys. That said, a better top of the rotation would result in that 450 inning number shrinking a bit so I guess there is merit there.

I understand what you're saying.

My point is, even if we get base case scenarios from our top 8 in terms of health, and reasonable scenarios in terms of performance,

there's still a lot of innings out there to be pitched by guys I don't think are that good.

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I do not think our long relievers will be replacement level. Our bullpen will be above average both in the front end and the back end. Our fifth starter spot is potentially very weak. That's been clear ever since Gonzo showed up this spring and couldn't cut it. The rotation overall is full of question marks, and how those questions get answered over 162 games will decide the fate of the team.

Clearly, this team is going to be driven by it's rotation. The BP will be good. The defense will be good. The offense will be good.

I guess, I'm just more pessimistic about those guys in the 5th spot/long role.

I don't see it Wright or Wilson. McFarland has been hit or miss.

We could get reasonable performance from out top 8, and still be a bad pitching team, bad enough to torpedo everything else,

because of the amount of innings we need from everybody else.

It's a concern.

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I guess, I'm just more pessimistic about those guys in the 5th spot/long role.

I don't see it Wright or Wilson. McFarland has been hit or miss.

We could get reasonable performance from out top 8, and still be a bad pitching team, bad enough to torpedo everything else,

because of the amount of innings we need from everybody else.

It's a concern.

I'm much more concerned about the 5th spot in the rotation (and really, the overall quality of our rotation) than I am about the long men.

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I'm much more concerned about the 5th spot in the rotation (and really, the overall quality of our rotation) than I am about the long men.

Well, I'm kind of lumping them together, because we don't who is the 5th starter, but they're all in the mix for the long men.

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From 2015, here are the number of relief innings thrown by pitchers who had an ERA over 5.00:

BAL - 31.0

BOS - 37.1

TOR - 68.2

TBR - 99.1

NYY - 147.1

That's all well and good, but McFarland had a 4.91 last year. Wright had an ERA over 6. And Wilson yes had 3.50, and a 0.00 this year, but I don't that continuing w a sub 4 K rate.

And those are the guys we're likely to be asking for 200+ innings this year. Not the 100+ from last year.

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That's all well and good, but McFarland had a 4.91 last year. Wright had an ERA over 6. And Wilson yes had 3.50, and a 0.00 this year, but I don't that continuing w a sub 4 K rate.

And those are the guys we're likely to be asking for 200+ innings this year. Not the 100+ from last year.

Where did you get that, your magic 8 ball? :D

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That's all well and good, but McFarland had a 4.91 last year. Wright had an ERA over 6. And Wilson yes had 3.50, and a 0.00 this year, but I don't that continuing w a sub 4 K rate.

And those are the guys we're likely to be asking for 200+ innings this year. Not the 100+ from last year.

We just disagree here. I don't think the starters will throw significantly fewer innings than last year, and I don't think our long relievers are going to be replacement level. If you are correct about these things, then yes, it will be a huge problem.

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That's all well and good, but McFarland had a 4.91 last year. Wright had an ERA over 6. And Wilson yes had 3.50, and a 0.00 this year, but I don't that continuing w a sub 4 K rate.

And those are the guys we're likely to be asking for 200+ innings this year. Not the 100+ from last year.

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We just disagree here. I don't think the starters will throw significantly fewer innings than last year, and I don't think our long relievers are going to be replacement level. If you are correct about these things, then yes, it will be a huge problem.

Fair enough.

I'm not necessarily saying that WILL happen.

But if this team falters, that will be why.

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