Would trading Mancini be the best option now?

[Frobby]

3 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Just watch.  The trade of Mancini is going to happen at some point.  He is an asset without a future in an O's uniform.  Dan is not going to let Mancini just waste  when he can get someone useful for him. 

Mancini will be on the travel team this spring.  Davis and Trumbo will not travel much.  That means Mancini plays first vs major league pitching at less part of the time.   Scouts will be watching.   Mancini has power and can hit for average.   From what I can tell his defense is average.  Some team is going to find that valuable.  You ask why his value goes up.  1) Exposure.  2) Scout have not had a chance to see him vs major league pitching very much to this point.

I tend to agree with others that other teams' interest in Mancini is more likely to be based on his 2,000 previous plate appearances as a professional than the 70-80 PA he might get in spring training. I don't mean that his performance in ST is completely irrelevant, but it's only a very minor factor.    

[wildcard]

48 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I tend to agree with others that other teams' interest in Mancini is more likely to be based on his 2,000 previous plate appearances as a professional than the 70-80 PA he might get in spring training. I don't mean that his performance in ST is completely irrelevant, but it's only a very minor factor.    

OK, If he does well in ST it makes him more valuable.   He won the batting title at AA.   He hit 305/375/453/826 away from Harbor Park at AAA.   He has proven that he can hit in the minors.  And he did that before age 25.     All that has value.

Just think what that ability would do in Coors Field.   Dan is not going to leave him be the third backup at 1st base or a platoon guy that gets 150 at bats at DH when he can get someone that fit the Orioles better.

[Enjoy Terror]

55 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Just watch.  The trade of Mancini is going to happen at some point.  He is an asset without a future in an O's uniform.  Dan is not going to let Mancini just waste  when he can get someone useful for him. 

Don't be surprised if the return is lower than you expect. Mancini is 1-1.5 tool player.

That said, he's in the role for the Orioles now that he would have on any other team; weak side platoon 1B/DH and pinch hitter. Mancini could grab the attention of a team looking for a stopgap, but let's not inflate his value.

[oriolediehard]

Mancini could possibly like Jayson Werth , Steve Finley,or Markakis type hitter.  I hate to watch an ex Oriole be a star on another team.   I would trade him if we are blown away not for a 35 year old 1 year rental.

[Redskins Rick]

8 minutes ago, oriolediehard said:

Mancini could possibly like Jayson Werth , Steve Finley,or Markakis type hitter.  I hate to watch an ex Oriole be a star on another team.   I would trade him if we are blown away not for a 35 year old 1 year rental.

If he was truly going to be a star, he would have already been up on the club helping them.

[ArtVanDelay]

2 hours ago, Dark Helmet said:

What's the point of responding? Maybe you could educate me and suggest a fair offer. Instead, it seems you would rather respond with snide "I'm smarter than you" remarks. Whatever. 

I said the Pirates would probably want Sisco +.  Maybe even Sisco and Sedlock.

I wouldn't do that trade, but that's what they would want most likely.

[Dark Helmet]

1 hour ago, ArtVanDelay said:

I said the Pirates would probably want Sisco +.  Maybe even Sisco and Sedlock.

I wouldn't do that trade, but that's what they would want most likely.

See that wasn't so hard. Thank you. I never have been good at trade suggestions.

[Tx Oriole]

On 1/20/2017 at 5:48 AM, mdbdotcom said:

Trey Mancini will not be a starter for the Orioles until 2020 (if ever), unless either Davis or Trumbo suffers a major injury or severe decline. A case could be made that Trumbo could play RF vs. LH starters, but then we'd be back to having a mine field out there.

Does it make the most sense to trade Mancini now, while he is coming off a stellar MLB debut? If you think so, then what kind of return do you think he could bring, on his own or packaged with another prospect?

I don't know. What could the team get for him you think? 

[mdbdotcom]

12 minutes ago, Tx Oriole said:

I don't know. What could the team get for him you think? 

Maybe someone of equal prospect status who plays a position where he won't be blocked by guys under contract until he's 28,

[Frobby]

4 hours ago, wildcard said:

OK, If he does well in ST it makes him more valuable.   He won the batting title at AA.   He hit 305/375/453/826 away from Harbor Park at AAA.   He has proven that he can hit in the minors.  And he did that before age 25.     All that has value.

Just think what that ability would do in Coors Field.  . Dan is not going to leave him be the third backup at 1st base or a platoon guy that gets 150 at bats at DH when he can get someone that fit the Orioles better.

Since Coors Field inflates the offense for everyone who plays there, I don't think Mancini would be any more valuable there than he would be anywhere else.   His numbers will look better, but his contributions to winning or losing will be the same.    

In any event, I hope we do find a trade partner who thinks Mancini will be a valuable contributor, and has a surplus of something else we need.    

[ChuckS]

I'm of the opinion that Mancini likely has more value as a DH versus LHP for us than standalone value on the trade market.  Maybe you deal him at the deadline, but there are lots of scenarios where he can help out our team this year.  

I think he makes the team too unless we add another outfielder like Bourn/Pagan.  

[mdbdotcom]

Re-thinking this a little, in addition to being the DH vs. LHP (with Trump in RF), Mancini could also be the go-to pinch-hitter when a team that starts a RHP brings in a LOOGY to face Seth Smith late in the game. This could end up being a valuable role if Kim platoons with Rickard and we don't add an outfielder who hist lefties.

[Roll Tide]

15 hours ago, Redskins Rick said:

If he was truly going to be a star, he would have already been up on the club helping them.

Rick this is simply not true in many cases!

First, not every guy is ready at 21.

Second, he was a rule five for that reason and perhaps due to a system that is much better than ours.

Third, if he was a corner outfielder by trade he'd have a starting spot on this years team.

Four, if we had not wasted 100 million on Davis he's probably our starting 1B.

The fact is he's blocked at a position we have committed.

He looked good last September and is ready to hit. Unless you can get a similar potential at a position of need you keep him at AAA.

Burying a young player to 150 reserve ABs as a backup 1B/part time DH is not a good use of a young player.

So see if a coach in the minors can get him up to speed as a outfielder or let him put up a big year at AAA and hope someone will give you a comparable value. But not 1 year of Granderson that's old with a high salary

[Redskins Rick]

Just now, Roll Tide said:

Rick this is simply not true in many cases!

First, not every guy is ready at 21.

Second, he was a rule five for that reason and perhaps due to a system that is much better than ours.

Third, if he was a corner outfielder by trade he'd have a starting spot on this years team.

Four, if we had not wasted 100 million on Davis he's probably our starting 1B.

The fact is he's blocked at a position we have committed.

He looked good last September and is ready to hit. Unless you can get a similar potential at a position of need you keep him at AAA.

Burying a young player to 150 reserve ABs as a backup 1B/part time DH is not a good use of a young player.

So see if a coach in the minors can get him up to speed as a outfielder or let him put up a big year at AAA and hope someone will give you a comparable value. But not 1 year of Granderson that's old with a high salary

1. He doesn't have the skills to be a COF, if he could have, don't you think they would have already been doing that in the minors, which is what the minors are for.

2. Do you truly believe the team really would have wasted 100 million on Davis, if Mancini could play a good firstbase?

3. He has been blocked, because they brought in big leaguers, like Pedro, why? Maybe, they were in a playoff push and felt he wasn't ready?

4. He did hit well, keep in mind, it was only 15 Plate appearances.

I really hope he plays well and lands a spot on the 25 man roster and can contributed. I just trying to keep perspective, there has been no much hype on this kid  by some, if he fails to win the triple crown, they will be diasppointed.

[Just Regular]

2 hours ago, mdbdotcom said:

Re-thinking this a little, in addition to being the DH vs. LHP (with Trump in RF), Mancini could also be the go-to pinch-hitter when a team that starts a RHP brings in a LOOGY to face Seth Smith late in the game. This could end up being a valuable role if Kim platoons with Rickard and we don't add an outfielder who hist lefties.

Agreed.  I don't think Mancini will represent much of a starting 1B upgrade for anyone, but his loss would represent a decent downgrade for us as Smith or Kim's Roenicke.

And I believe we need Roenicke's the most of anyone in the AL.  We could face up to 8 different LHP SP opponents in division, the most of anyone in the league, and have good platoon players in two everyday positions.

I hope Trey's watching Blue Jays and Red Sox tape, not clicking on mlbtraderumors.