Would trading Mancini be the best option now?

[Since'54]

17 hours ago, Frobby said:

I know you know this, but in 1967 Frank suffered a very serious concussion that dramatically affected his vision in the rest of 1967 (age 31) and 1968 (age 32), and Frank has said that even though he recovered significantly after that, his vision was never quite the same again.   That injury was unrelated to his age.   

Still, I'm certainly not denying that in general, ages 25-29 are more productive than 30-34.    

Beyond which,  anyone who watched Robinson play for the Birds knows that statistics never measured the totality of what he brought to the team.

[Frobby]

1 minute ago, Since'54 said:

Beyond which,  anyone who watched Robinson play for the Birds knows that statistics never measured the totality of what he brought to the team.

Yes, though 29 WAR in 5 years isn't exactly chicken feed.   

[ELMERO]

On 1/20/2017 at 6:48 AM, mdbdotcom said:

Trey Mancini will not be a starter for the Orioles until 2020 (if ever), unless either Davis or Trumbo suffers a major injury or severe decline. A case could be made that Trumbo could play RF vs. LH starters, but then we'd be back to having a mine field out there.

Does it make the most sense to trade Mancini now, while he is coming off a stellar MLB debut? If you think so, then what kind of return do you think he could bring, on his own or packaged with another prospect?

It would make sense for him, personally, since he has no shot here anymore. I say give him another year at Norfolk, where he'll continue to mash and improve his overall D.  Trade him at the deadline or in the off-season, where his trade value should be much higher.  In fact, they should promise him they will do exactly that.  Wouldn't it have been nice if he were an outfielder.  Oh well.....

[theobird]

It is absolutely apparent that the Orioles brain trust is hell bent on slugging there way to the post season. It is not the path that I would take but this crew has little regard for defense, speed or OBP. Castillo may produce with the stick for us, but imo is clearly a step back defensively. They had the opportunity to improve the horrible OF defense this offseason and add some speed but instead they have done little in this area to improve. So, given that, lets bash. Put Davis in RF and Trumbo at first base. Mancini can DH along with Kim. Smith and Rickard are in LF. To me its the only thing that makes any sense.

 

[PaulFolk]

On 1/20/2017 at 9:47 AM, wildcard said:

There is no rush to trade Mancini.  He has options so the O's do not have to take low value.  He is likely to light it up in ST this spring.   When he does his value will go up.  Someone will need his power and OBP capability.   

I think Harbor Park holds his value down.   His road stats were 305/375/453/828.   If other GMs realize that he should bring back a good player/prospect.  No rush though.

Why is Mancini "likely" to light it up in ST? And even if he does, why would his value go up? I don't think smart teams put a lot of stock into ST statistics.

[backwardsk]

44 minutes ago, theobird said:

It is absolutely apparent that the Orioles brain trust is hell bent on slugging there way to the post season. It is not the path that I would take but this crew has little regard for defense, speed or OBP. Castillo may produce with the stick for us, but imo is clearly a step back defensively. They had the opportunity to improve the horrible OF defense this offseason and add some speed but instead they have done little in this area to improve. So, given that, lets bash. Put Davis in RF and Trumbo at first base. Mancini can DH along with Kim. Smith and Rickard are in LF. To me its the only thing that makes any sense.

 

Kim LF, Smith RF, Davis 1B is a better alignment than Smith LF, Davis RF, Trumbo 1B, IMO.

[Aristotelian]

18 hours ago, gtown said:

 

I wasn't crazy about re-signing Trumbo, but he is here now. The question I see is basically this (oversimplified). Would I rather have Trumbo in RF and Pedro Alvarez as DH or Angel Pagan in RF and Trumbo at DH?  I frame it that way because I'm thinking what would I do now as far as the next add. Both Alvarez and Pagan seem to be available.

Personally, I'd try to get Granderson for Mancini and Brach (or another reliever).

There are people on this board who would not do Granderson for Mancini or Brach. I would like to get an everyday RF, but if we got one it would make Seth Smith a $7M bench player. I would have rather had Granderson than Trumbo, but now that we have Trumbo I don't think there is room for Granderson. I would be fine with a RH platoon OF to take Mancini's spot and round out the roster, with Mancini to AAA or traded.

[mdbdotcom]

37 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

There are people on this board who would not do Granderson for Mancini or Brach. I would like to get an everyday RF, but if we got one it would make Seth Smith a $7M bench player. I would have rather had Granderson than Trumbo, but now that we have Trumbo I don't think there is room for Granderson. I would be fine with a RH platoon OF to take Mancini's spot and round out the roster, with Mancini to AAA or traded.

If we were to acquire a good everyday RF, I'm confident that Buck would be fine with trading Kim.

[tntoriole]

5 hours ago, Aristotelian said:

There are people on this board who would not do Granderson for Mancini or Brach. I would like to get an everyday RF, but if we got one it would make Seth Smith a $7M bench player. I would have rather had Granderson than Trumbo, but now that we have Trumbo I don't think there is room for Granderson. I would be fine with a RH platoon OF to take Mancini's spot and round out the roster, with Mancini to AAA or traded.

Sounds like Franklin Gutierrez. 

[ArtVanDelay]

On 1/20/2017 at 10:23 PM, Dark Helmet said:

Your easy to amuse. And Harrison has 2 years left...not 4.

 

 

I'm not assuming anything.  Give one good reason why the Pirates would make that trade.  I'll wait.

Harrison is a solid player with a ceiling of being a very good player (5 WAR in 2014), and he has FOUR years of control left.  Teams options are controlled years.  

Mancini is the 11th best prospect in a terrible system.  He projects as a platoon 1B/DH at the next level.  The Pirates already have their 1B of the future, and they can use a DH about 10 times a year.  

Even if the Pirates didn't already have Josh Bell, Mancini doesn't get you Josh Harrison.  The Pirates would most likely want Sisco and another prospect.

It blows my mind how people on here don't understand trade value.  Trey Mancini is not getting you anything decent in return, especially to an NL team.

[Dark Helmet]

13 hours ago, ArtVanDelay said:

I'm not assuming anything.  Give one good reason why the Pirates would make that trade.  I'll wait.

Harrison is a solid player with a ceiling of being a very good player (5 WAR in 2014), and he has FOUR years of control left.  Teams options are controlled years.  

Mancini is the 11th best prospect in a terrible system.  He projects as a platoon 1B/DH at the next level.  The Pirates already have their 1B of the future, and they can use a DH about 10 times a year.  

Even if the Pirates didn't already have Josh Bell, Mancini doesn't get you Josh Harrison.  The Pirates would most likely want Sisco and another prospect.

It blows my mind how people on here don't understand trade value.  Trey Mancini is not getting you anything decent in return, especially to an NL team.

Why are you getting so defensive? I don't have to understand anything. I don't work for a mlb team. It was a suggestion as a fan. I don't have to be rational. so, you'll be waiting for a reason for awhile. I don't have to justify anything to you.

[Dark Helmet]

13 hours ago, ArtVanDelay said:

I'm not assuming anything.  Give one good reason why the Pirates would make that trade.  I'll wait.

Harrison is a solid player with a ceiling of being a very good player (5 WAR in 2014), and he has FOUR years of control left.  Teams options are controlled years.  

Mancini is the 11th best prospect in a terrible system.  He projects as a platoon 1B/DH at the next level.  The Pirates already have their 1B of the future, and they can use a DH about 10 times a year.  

Even if the Pirates didn't already have Josh Bell, Mancini doesn't get you Josh Harrison.  The Pirates would most likely want Sisco and another prospect.

It blows my mind how people on here don't understand trade value.  Trey Mancini is not getting you anything decent in return, especially to an NL team.

And you really should send your resume to mlb teams. Why hang out with such inferior intellects as us. Our lack of knowledge blows your mind so much.

[ArtVanDelay]

1 hour ago, Dark Helmet said:

Why are you getting so defensive? I don't have to understand anything. I don't work for a mlb team. It was a suggestion as a fan. I don't have to be rational. so, you'll be waiting for a reason for awhile. I don't have to justify anything to you.

Then what's the point of posting it in the first place if it's not rational? 

Maybe do 5 minutes of research next time and post a trade offer that actually makes sense for both teams.

[Dark Helmet]

On Sunday, January 22, 2017 at 2:07 PM, ArtVanDelay said:

Then what's the point of posting it in the first place if it's not rational? 

Maybe do 5 minutes of research next time and post a trade offer that actually makes sense for both teams.

What's the point of responding? Maybe you could educate me and suggest a fair offer. Instead, it seems you would rather respond with snide "I'm smarter than you" remarks. Whatever. 

[wildcard]

On 1/21/2017 at 3:53 PM, PaulFolk said:

Why is Mancini "likely" to light it up in ST? And even if he does, why would his value go up? I don't think smart teams put a lot of stock into ST statistics.

Just watch.  The trade of Mancini is going to happen at some point.  He is an asset without a future in an O's uniform.  Dan is not going to let Mancini just waste  when he can get someone useful for him. 

Mancini will be on the travel team this spring.  Davis and Trumbo will not travel much.  That means Mancini plays first vs major league pitching at less part of the time.   Scouts will be watching.   Mancini has power and can hit for average.   From what I can tell his defense is average.  Some team is going to find that valuable.  You ask why his value goes up.  1) Exposure.  2) Scout have not had a chance to see him vs major league pitching very much to this point.