Have Aquino and Lee passed Wright and Wilson on the starter depth chart?

[LookitsPuck]

8 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

 

Assuming similar levels of production.

I'd rather have someone that works fast and tries to throw strikes.

For purely aesthetic reasons.

 

Same here. I hate watching Steve Trachsel types.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, LookitsPuck said:

Same here. I hate watching Steve Trachsel types.

I can understand and respect how Gallardo has to go about his business.

But I don't find it enjoyable. 

Trachsel was worse.

[MDtransplant757]

24 minutes ago, LookitsPuck said:

I honestly don't think Mike Wright, Tyler Wilson, Chris Lee or any of them are viable options.

If I'm being honest, I have more faith in a Doug Fister or Colby Lewis. But not by a lot.

I was honestly a bit miffed when Duquette traded Yovani Gallardo because it meant that our entire rotation would have to be healthy and effective for us not to see Wright/Wilson/Lee.

There's no guarantee that Bundy is going to be healthy. Or Miley is going to be effective. Or Tillman is going to be pitching for the O's this year.

So, yeah. We're in a rock and a hard place right now. There's no impact depth. Basically a bunch of AAAA pitchers at this point. That doesn't bode well.

Welcome back

[sportsfan8703]

9 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I can understand and respect how Gallardo has to go about his business.

But I don't find it enjoyable. 

Trachsel was worse.

Freddy Garica.  Has to be the worst nibbler in recent history.  

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, sportsfan8703 said:

Freddy Garica.  Has to be the worst nibbler in recent history.  

With Trachsel you had the nibbling combined with the glacially slow pace.

Just really unpleasant to watch.

[weams]

Throw hard, young man.

 

[Frobby]

I'm surprised we're in the middle on that chart.   I'd have expected us to be lower.   Still, it boils down to fewer than 12 pitches per game, out of maybe 150.

[OFFNY]

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(APRIL 22nd)

 

Jayson Aquino has passed both Wilson and Wright on the starter depth chart.

Chris Lee has had 1 good game and 2 bad games so far at AAA-Norfolk.

 

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[sportsfan8703]

Our rotation and depth last year: Tillman, Gausman, Ubaldo, Gallardo, Wilson.  

Depth was Wright, Despaigne, Bundy, Miranda. 

This year:  Bundy, Gausman, Miley, Ubaldo, Tillman(DL), 

Depth: Asher, Aquino,Nuno .... Wilson..... Wright. 

Oh my have things changed. Wright and Wilson were in our rotation. DD deserves a lot of credit. 

[Frobby]

1 hour ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Our rotation and depth last year: Tillman, Gausman, Ubaldo, Gallardo, Wilson.  

Depth was Wright, Despaigne, Bundy, Miranda. 

This year:  Bundy, Gausman, Miley, Ubaldo, Tillman(DL), 

Depth: Asher, Aquino,Nuno .... Wilson..... Wright. 

Oh my have things changed. Wright and Wilson were in our rotation. DD deserves a lot of credit. 

Well, Bundy kind of dropped into his lap -- he was definitely coming and it was just a matter of time.   So basically, he acquired Miley.    Don't forget, he also dumped Gonzalez prematurely, which is what necessitated the Miley acquisition.   As to the MiL depth, we'll see how good it is as the season progresses.   

[wildcard]

2 hours ago, Frobby said:

Well, Bundy kind of dropped into his lap -- he was definitely coming and it was just a matter of time.   So basically, he acquired Miley.    Don't forget, he also dumped Gonzalez prematurely, which is what necessitated the Miley acquisition.   As to the MiL depth, we'll see how good it is as the season progresses.   

Dumped prematurely?  Your hindsight is pretty clear but I don't think your evaluate for the reasons Miguel was released are very good.  Miguel had a 2-6 with a 6.14 ERA in the 2nd half of 2015.   His WHIP was up to 1.656 and his velo was down.  He was on the DL twice.  Once with a groin strain and the second time he missed 26 games with elbow soreness.  

The O's keep Miguel through the off season and worked with him to get him better.  However in ST he was not better.  He was worse.  He went 1-4 with a 9.78 ERA. Batters were hitting .412 off him.   He was scheduled to make 5M so Dan did was most any GM would do that is planning to be in a pennant race and has a tight budget.  He released him and paid him his termination pay.

I know you like Miguel.  I like him too.  He did a lot for the team for years.   But I can't blame Dan for not paying a player who didn't look like he was healthy or performing well enough to help the team.  I am glad Miguel bounced back.  I still root for him.  But to say Dan prematurely dumped him is misleading and involves a lot of hindsight IMO.  Miguel had a lot to do with getting released.

Here is a note from Roch on 4/3/2016

"Former Orioles pitcher Miguel Gonzalez has signed a minor league deal with the White Sox, according to reports. The Orioles wanted to keep him in the organization, but the White Sox were aggressive from the outset."

So Dan wanted to re-sign him to a minor league contact but Miguel decided to sign a minor league contract with the White Sox.  It may have been Miguel that did the dumping of the Orioles.

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Dumped prematurely?  Your hindsight is pretty clear but I don't think your evaluate for the reasons Miguel was released are very good.  Miguel had a 2-6 with a 6.14 ERA in the 2nd half of 2015.   His WHIP was up to 1.656 and his velo was down.  He was on the DL twice.  Once with a groin strain and the second time he missed 26 games with elbow soreness.  

The O's keep Miguel through the off season and worked with him to get him better.  However in ST he was not better.  He was worse.  He went 1-4 with a 9.78 ERA. Batters were hitting .412 off him.   He was scheduled to make 5M so Dan did was most any GM would do that is planning to be in a pennant race and has a tight budget.  He released him and paid him his termination pay.

I know you like Miguel.  I like him too.  He did a lot of the team for years.   But I can't blame Dan for not paying a player who didn't look like he was healthy or performing well enough to help the team.  I am glad Miguel bounced back.  I still root for him.  But to say Dan prematurely dumped him is misleading and involves a lot of hindsight IMO.  Miguel had a lot to do with getting released.

He basically traded optionable starting pitching depth for a platoon DH.

I would have rather had the pitching depth.

[wildcard]

18 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

He basically traded optionable starting pitching depth for a platoon DH.

I would have rather had the pitching depth.

Its pretty rare to option a player making 5M. Especially one that is not performing and who's contract can be terminated.

[Frobby]

27 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Dumped prematurely?  Your hindsight is pretty clear but I don't think your evaluate for the reasons Miguel was released are very good.  

Not hindsight.   I didn't like it at the time, and said so.      Jettisoning a guy who has been a mainstay of your rotation when Plans B and C are Mike Wright and Tyler Wilson and you're also counting on Ubaldo was a bad decision.  

[Can_of_corn]

18 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Its pretty rare to option a player making 5M. Especially one that is not performing and who's contract can be terminated.

I agree.  But it does mean that the O's did not have to have him on the 25 man to start the season.