Bundy shines in win over the Blue Jays

[Tony-OH]

1 hour ago, Aristotelian said:

Fangraphs has a big discrepancy between "PitchFX" and "Pitch Type" for Bundy 2017. PitchFX appears to see Bundy's Slider/Cutter as a changeup, and only gives him 3 pitches (FB, CH, CB), with 37% CH! "Pitch Type" gives him a Cutter (29%) with CH as the 4th pitch (7%0.

I noticed Gausman has some discrepancies this year too. Is PitchFX broken?

Something is not right with it, that's for sure. It sucks because Brooks baseball must use Pitch FX so they are off as well.

[Tony-OH]

43 minutes ago, Cumberbundy said:

He threw one that, due to the camera angle, appeared to move like a screwball back into Tulo as it fell off the table with Tulo missing badly in the 7th. He left several spinning and a couple that simply moved laterally, I wonder if he is trying to do two different things or if it just works out that way. One thing I noticed was he put more effort into a few of those pitches than he does his others, he doesn't typically fall off but he threw a few that looked like they'd cause an arm to fall off...Harry Dunns pets heads fell off, I don't think we Os fans would rebound as well as he did if our pitchers arms start falling off. 

That's the changeup. The changeup should have some run (movement back towards the RHB) and sink. The slider/cutter will have sink and movement away from the RHB which must of Bundy's  86-87mph pitches did.

[Frobby]

1 hour ago, RZNJ said:

The action on that is just like a splitter.   One second it's there and the next second it's not.

Almost straight down.    No wonder pitch f/x thinks it's a change-up.   

[Tony-OH]

6 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Almost straight down.    No wonder pitch f/x thinks it's a change-up.   

Some were, but most had cut and they were all getting called changeups.

[PaulFolk]

2 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

I'm trying to get to the bottom of the pitch identification on the displays at Camden Yards. In years past it was a person, but I was told this year it done through statcast. If it is, there is something wrong because on opening day it called three different types of pitches cutters, and none moved away from the right-handed hitter. Last night it was calling his cutter/slider a changeup. He did throw some changeups but they weren't very effective. I'll see what I can dig up.

Thanks for looking into that. I was wondering about it on Opening Day, when some Gausman pitches in the mid-80s were being called fastballs.

[Aristotelian]

20 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

That's the changeup. The changeup should have some run (movement back towards the RHB) and sink. The slider/cutter will have sink and movement away from the RHB which must of Bundy's  86-87mph pitches did.

Looked like curve or slurve to me!

[Natty]

We use to call that a drop ball. It breaks 12 to 6. 

[Satyr3206]

A cutter is basically a small slider. Spins a lot and doesn't move as much.

[Redskins Rick]

I dont what they call it, as long as it works the hitter is out.

 

[Can_of_corn]

Fangraphs likes.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/dylan-bundy-made-the-blue-jays-look-silly/

 

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Bundy had his work cut out for him last night, and he cut his work into fine ribbons.

 

[Frobby]

1 hour ago, Tony-OH said:

Something is not right with it, that's for sure. It sucks because Brooks baseball must use Pitch FX so they are off as well.

I had some emails with Dan Brooks of Brooks Baseball today and his responses lead me to believe that the glitches in the data he gets will get fixed.    Hopefully sooner rather than later.  

[Tony-OH]

3 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I had some emails with Dan Brooks of Brooks Baseball today and his responses lead me to believe that the glitches in the data he gets will get fixed.    Hopefully sooner rather than later.  

Good, I love his site and that's ashamed he data is screwwy this year.

[Tony-OH]

19 minutes ago, dan-O said:

And is usually more fastball speed, no? Like upper 80s, 90, 91.

It can be. Bundy was throwing what traditionally would be called a slider by the grip he was holding the pitch. Sometimes it didn't move as much and looked like a cutter. Almost all of the were in the 86-87 MPH range and almost all had some movement down and away from the right-handed hitter.

[Aristotelian]

42 minutes ago, dan-O said:

And is usually more fastball speed, no? Like upper 80s, 90, 91.

My understanding is that what is called a "cutter" is essentially a slider thrown at near fastball velocity. Same grip, same spin, just thrown harder. Bundy's new pitch appeared to be 84-85 with a lot of break, so I would call it a slider.

[InsideCoroner]

2 hours ago, PaulFolk said:

Thanks for looking into that. I was wondering about it on Opening Day, when some Gausman pitches in the mid-80s were being called fastballs.

 I noticed that too, and also with a few pitches from Estrada.