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5 minutes ago, clapdiddy said:

If you notice, that's only when runners are on base.  They look to the dugout for throw-overs to first and other defensive signals, I believe.

Of course last night, I will have to own up, to mainly watching the Capitals. I know blatant sin to admit, but I was split screen with the Caps in the big screen. :):):)

 

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1 minute ago, Crazysilver03 said:

This. I have been surprised how candid they have been about it.

Funny and maybe I'm wrong but I swear that Palmer always said you don't have to show your whole arsenal first time around if you are commanding the fastball. Of course in Palmer's era starters tried to finish the game. 

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1 minute ago, Redskins Rick said:

Of course last night, I will have to own up, to mainly watching the Capitals. I know blatant sin to admit, but I was split screen with the Caps in the big screen. :):):)

 

I'm not a hockey fan, but totally understand.   It's the important time for hockey and basketball right now! :)

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Funny and maybe I'm wrong but I swear that Palmer always said you don't have to show your whole arsenal first time around if you are commanding the fastball. Of course in Palmer's era starters tried to finish the game. 

I think he's right, but Gausman really didn't seem to have a whole lot of command last night.   It seemed like he was all over the place.   I think it helped that Toronto is really struggling right now.

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6 minutes ago, dan-O said:

Dempsey is mostly a fool, but I have to at least somewhat agree. Can't tell you how many times Wieters would call for the fastall on 0-2 or 1-2. I get that you can fool some hitters that way, but with our starting pitchers it was a risky move. Mostly it just seemed kind of dumb.

Dempsey was probably the best pitch caller, defensive catcher the Orioles have had. 

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2 minutes ago, weams said:

Dempsey was probably the best pitch caller, defensive catcher the Orioles have had. 

It's always hard to separate out the pitch calling from the talents of the pitchers.    Calling a game for a guy who commands 3-4 pitches is one thing, calling a game for a guy with 1-2 reliable pitches and shaky command is something else entirely.    You can give Dempsey some credit for the success of the guys he caught, but he had a lot to work with during his years with the Orioles.    

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11 minutes ago, Frobby said:

It's always hard to separate out the pitch calling from the talents of the pitchers.    Calling a game for a guy who commands 3-4 pitches is one thing, calling a game for a guy with 1-2 reliable pitches and shaky command is something else entirely.    You can give Dempsey some credit for the success of the guys he caught, but he had a lot to work with during his years with the Orioles.    

I think we can infer that Dempsey had a good reputation, and the retroactive figuring of his overall defense is good.  He ended up with a 25-win career despite the devil's own .666 OPS.

But saying he's the best pitch caller in team history... ehh, that's going to be mighty subjective.  How do you know it wasn't Dave Skaggs?  Or Jeff Tackett?  Andy Etchebarren?  Hal Smith?  Gregg Zaun?  Bob Melvin?   I wouldn't go any further than saying Dempsey was probably a good pitch caller. 

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I am surprised to see how well Castillo can avoid a passed ball. Just from conventional stats it looks like Wieters was a magician at blocking balls and Castillo had some high PB numbers. After watching him keep Brittons erratic sinker in front of him last night I'm not leaning much on past performance anymore...he has looked great and seems to be a good hitter too.

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21 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

I think we can infer that Dempsey had a good reputation, and the retroactive figuring of his overall defense is good.  He ended up with a 25-win career despite the devil's own .666 OPS.

But saying he's the best pitch caller in team history... ehh, that's going to be mighty subjective.  How do you know it wasn't Dave Skaggs?  Or Jeff Tackett?  Andy Etchebarren?  Hal Smith?  Gregg Zaun?  Bob Melvin?   I wouldn't go any further than saying Dempsey was probably a good pitch caller. 

I always thought Al Pardo was the best in franchise history. Lenn Sakata was second. 

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3 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

I always thought Al Pardo was the best in franchise history. Lenn Sakata was second. 

I credit Jamie Quirk's pitch calling with 29 of the 33 wins of improvement from 1988-89.  Yes, I know he wasn't acquired until August 5th and the team went 11-14 in his appearances.  He was just that good.

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