Pitching outlook seems grim long term

[Cumberbundy]

3 hours ago, esmd said:

The Machado deal is key.  They need at least two rotation candidates in the deal.  Add that to Gausman hopefully fixing whatever the hell is wrong with him, Harvey recovering, last years draft picks continuing to progress, and things look a little better. 

Yes! Machado, Britton & Brach for as much pitching as we can get. The Nats need a closer badly, let's deal for Fedde. The load they gave up for eaton was ridiculous, they are all in it would seem. Robles we couldn't get, unfortunately, so let's target an arm and hope he goes the way of Ray, even Peacock has been a nice arm and Meyer, they have traded some seriously talented arms, including the best rp in the nl for Melancon, that deal was almost as bad as our Miller deal. So many arms and we have acquired 1, Brach. ? Peacock would be our #2 ?

[FlipTheBird]

1 hour ago, Cumberbundy said:

Yes! Machado, Britton & Brach for as much pitching as we can get. The Nats need a closer badly, let's deal for Fedde. The load they gave up for eaton was ridiculous, they are all in it would seem. Robles we couldn't get, unfortunately, so let's target an arm and hope he goes the way of Ray, even Peacock has been a nice arm and Meyer, they have traded some seriously talented arms, including the best rp in the nl for Melancon, that deal was almost as bad as our Miller deal. So many arms and we have acquired 1, Brach. ? Peacock would be our #2 ?

Who are you trading to the Nats?

If it's Britton, and he's healthy, and he's still under team control for next year (a fair few ifs in there)... starting the price at Robles is entirely reasonable.

[sportsfan8703]

1 hour ago, Cumberbundy said:

Yes! Machado, Britton & Brach for as much pitching as we can get. The Nats need a closer badly, let's deal for Fedde. The load they gave up for eaton was ridiculous, they are all in it would seem. Robles we couldn't get, unfortunately, so let's target an arm and hope he goes the way of Ray, even Peacock has been a nice arm and Meyer, they have traded some seriously talented arms, including the best rp in the nl for Melancon, that deal was almost as bad as our Miller deal. So many arms and we have acquired 1, Brach. ? Peacock would be our #2 ?

You have to view the Nats like they're in our division.  They're in direct competition with us.  You can't make a deal and help them win a WS.  

[Cumberbundy]

Just now, sportsfan8703 said:

You have to view the Nats like they're in our division.  They're in direct competition with us.  You can't make a deal and help them win a WS.  

Boston traded us Miller, I suspect they'd do it again. 

[Can_of_corn]

3 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

You have to view the Nats like they're in our division.  They're in direct competition with us.  You can't make a deal and help them win a WS.  

I don't care if the Nats win a title.

I only care if the O's win a title.

[sportsfan8703]

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

I don't care if the Nats win a title.

I only care if the O's win a title.

If they win a WS, and continue to be a contender while we rebuild, we might be following the Las Vegas Orioles.  

[Cumberbundy]

2 minutes ago, FlipTheBird said:

Who are you trading to the Nats?

If it's Britton, and he's healthy, and he's still under team control for next year (a fair few ifs in there)... starting the price at Robles is entirely reasonable.

Brach, Britton, Givens, and O'days ping pong table. They need two pieces, at minimum, I'd love to deal them Britton and Brach if Robles was available but I don't thinking they'll deal him, if they would have I think they'd have Sale instead of Eaton.  

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, sportsfan8703 said:

If they win a WS, and continue to be a contender while we rebuild, we might be following the Las Vegas Orioles.  

And the Nats would move into NPACY?

The team is going nowhere.

[Cumberbundy]

1 minute ago, sportsfan8703 said:

If they win a WS, and continue to be a contender while we rebuild, we might be following the Las Vegas Orioles.  

Are you trying to say, Harper to the Os? ?

[sportsfan8703]

1 minute ago, Cumberbundy said:

Are you trying to say, Harper to the Os? ?

Harper and Machado to the O's in 2019.  Let's rebuild like the Yankees.  

[FlipTheBird]

16 minutes ago, Cumberbundy said:

Brach, Britton, Givens, and O'days ping pong table. They need two pieces, at minimum, I'd love to deal them Britton and Brach if Robles was available but I don't thinking they'll deal him, if they would have I think they'd have Sale instead of Eaton.  

The reason they never got Sale is because the White Sox told them those negotiations started with Trea Turner.

If they don't want to come to the table ready, say OK, bye, we'll call the other NL teams in need of relief arms.

If Fedde's the centerpiece, maybe it's a deal for Brach. A healthy Britton requires an absolute stud. To start. Yanks got Torres +3 for Chapman.

[FanSince88]

46 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

If they win a WS, and continue to be a contender while we rebuild, we might be following the Las Vegas Orioles.  

Not if we rebuild successfully.  If we try and fail to make a deep playoff run this year and next without restocking the farm, we could be in for another decade of losing.  And then, yes, we would be in danger of losing the team.  But the franchise should be able to weather 2-3 rebuild years regardless of how the Nats do.  

[FanSince88]

29 minutes ago, FlipTheBird said:

A healthy Britton requires an absolute stud. To start. Yanks got Torres +3 for Chapman.

Wholeheartedly agree. The extra year of control for Britton means we should insist on high value for him.  Were he just a rental, I could countenance selling him for organizational depth and whatnot.  But it's entirely possible he comes back strong next year after a full offseason to rehab (the opposite is just as possible but the upside is extremely enticing -- considering that he's pitching in a hitters park and how much better he could be in the NL!).  

[Three Run Homer]

5 hours ago, esmd said:

The Machado deal is key.  They need at least two rotation candidates in the deal.  Add that to Gausman hopefully fixing whatever the hell is wrong with him, Harvey recovering, last years draft picks continuing to progress, and things look a little better. 

The problem is that we also need the Machado deal to give us a 3B and SS.  

[esmd]

1 hour ago, Three Run Homer said:

The problem is that we also need the Machado deal to give us a 3B and SS.  

Well, there's two sides to that - we have Tejada who can play SS next year, and there are several decent FA options (Moustakas, Todd Frazier).  In addition, Machado should bring 4-5 prospects in return.  The one model that was posted of the Miguel Cabrera trade was the top 2 prosects, one other top 10 prospect, and two other top 20 prospects from the acquiring club.  So in addition to two SP prospects, there's nothing that says we can't get a SS and/or 3B prospect in the deal.  We also have Mountcastle coming up, who I believe projects to 2B.  When he's ready, perhaps Schoop becomes your 3rd baseman.

Anyway, the point is they have lots of possible ways to go.  The main thing is getting at least a couple solid pitching prospects back in the Manny deal.