Jump to content

O's trade for Hellickson

OriolesMagic83

By OriolesMagic83
in Orioles Talk

Recommended Posts

Babypowder Hangout Veteran Council

Babypowder

Posted
Posted
5 minutes ago, section18 said:

We need pitching and Hellickson is better than what we are running out there every night.  Gausman when he is on is the exception.  Bundy appears to be tired. Tillman should be shut down.  What a wasted season by him. He should be embarrassed to take his check along with Ubaldo and Miley. Stealing money from the team. Oh and O'Day ! What a waste!

 

 

Hellickson's FIP is only better than Tillman and Jimenez. His strikeout rate will be the worst in the rotation, which is pretty impressive for this rotation. He's bad, and fits right in in a bad rotation.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
  • Replies 238
  • Created
  • Last Reply
nsw AAA

nsw

Posted
Posted
1 minute ago, Babypowder said:

Hellickson's FIP is only better than Tillman and Jimenez. His strikeout rate will be the worst in the rotation, which is pretty impressive for this rotation. He's bad, and fits right in in a bad rotation.

His K rate is the WORST of all qualifiers. Maybe he eats 90 innings for us and saves us the indignity of raiding independent leagues for SP.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
MDK02 Hangout Grand Counsel

MDK02

Posted
Posted
10 minutes ago, section18 said:

We need pitching and Hellickson is better than what we are running out there every night.  Gausman when he is on is the exception.  Bundy appears to be tired. Tillman should be shut down.  What a wasted season by him. He should be embarrassed to take his check along with Ubaldo and Miley. Stealing money from the team. Oh and O'Day ! What a waste!

 

 

I'd rather just bring up Tyler Wilson and Wright. It was a meaningless trade, who cares who pitches at this point. The season is over.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Three Run Homer Hangout Veteran Council

Three Run Homer

Posted
Posted

Meh.  Cleavinger isn't some great prospect; he has an ERA over 6 at Bowie and he had an ERA over 4 at Frederick last year.  If the Phillies can turn him into a major league pitcher, it will be another data point favoring the Parker Bridwell hypothesis that the O's are terrible at developing pitchers.  

But what's the point?  This team isn't going anywhere.  Hellickson is probably an upgrade on Miley going forward, but the O's have dug themselves too deep a hole.  

I guess I'm saying that the trade itself isn't so bad, but I don't like what it signifies--that the team still thinks of themselves as contenders and probably won't trade Seth Smith, Brad Brach or Wellington Castillo for prospects.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
MDK02 Hangout Grand Counsel

MDK02

Posted
Posted
3 minutes ago, Diehard_O's_Fan said:

You guys are just never happy, you know it? Let's wait and see what else Dan does before we start judging him.

What about this trade is there to be happy about? I'm not even really mad, just annoyed by a pointless, lackluster trade that has no real reasoning. 2-3 weeks ago, maybe this would be interesting when we were 2.5-3.5 out of WC but this team is finished this year. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Number5 Hangout Grand Counsel

Number5

Posted
Posted

Kim wasn't going to be here in 2018, the slot money wasn't going to be used, and Cleavinger is no loss.  Hellickson will eat innings, we're getting cash and losing Kim to help pay for it, and we've made room on the active roster for the guy we do plan on keeping going forward, Santander, who is finishing up his rehab.

I really don't understand all the hand wringing over this deal, as there's nothing to be upset about at all.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Babypowder Hangout Veteran Council

Babypowder

Posted
Posted
1 minute ago, Number5 said:

Kim wasn't going to be here in 2018, the slot money wasn't going to be used, and Cleavinger is no loss.  Hellickson will eat innings, we're getting cash and losing Kim to help pay for it, and we've made room on the active roster for the guy we do plan on keeping going forward, Santander, who is finishing up his rehab.

I really don't understand all the hand wringing over this deal, as there's nothing to be upset about at all.

I agree we didn't lose anything to get upset about. I just don't understand what hellickson brings. Bad pitchers making real money to "eat innings" is something the O's already have a surplus of.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
section18 All-Star

section18

Posted
Posted

I agree with you.  I think he will be considered  during the off season if he pitches well for us the last two months. I said this earlier.  He will probably give us more innings and in the NL many starters are pinch hit for in the 5th or 6th inning often times in games.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
El Gordo Hangout Grand Counsel

El Gordo

Posted
Posted
5 minutes ago, Number5 said:

Kim wasn't going to be here in 2018, the slot money wasn't going to be used, and Cleavinger is no loss.  Hellickson will eat innings, we're getting cash and losing Kim to help pay for it, and we've made room on the active roster for the guy we do plan on keeping going forward, Santander, who is finishing up his rehab.

I really don't understand all the hand wringing over this deal, as there's nothing to be upset about at all.

I agree we simply don't have enough SP to get through the season.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
hoosiers Hangout Grand Counsel

hoosiers

Posted
Posted
6 minutes ago, Number5 said:

Kim wasn't going to be here in 2018, the slot money wasn't going to be used, and Cleavinger is no loss.  Hellickson will eat innings, we're getting cash and losing Kim to help pay for it, and we've made room on the active roster for the guy we do plan on keeping going forward, Santander, who is finishing up his rehab.

I really don't understand all the hand wringing over this deal, as there's nothing to be upset about at all.

I appreciate the effort to look at this somewhat objectively.  I have several issues with the trade.  Our competitive position says that we should be collecting minor league assets and not shedding them.  We may view Cleavinger as having a limit ceiling, but let's keep him and see if he gets better.  You know, like Bridwell did. 

Why give up international slots to get Hellickson?  Our prior GM had no such vanity regarding his won-loss record and sent out Steve Traschel repeatedly to lose games and get us into a better draft position.  Why not package Cleavinger and our international slots for an incrementally better prospect than Cleavinger?

Regarding the need for a SP, why hasn't Dan been stashing SP wanna-be guys at AAA for use over the balance of the season?  Let's see what other teams so many games below .500 acquire SPs this trade deadline to be an "innings eater."

Why is this move better than DFAing or cutting Kim?  We would have our international slots and Cleavinger and only be out the pro-rata portion of Kim's salary.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Go to topic listing


  • Posts

    • Safelykept
      The Difference between the O's and other Playoff teams

      By Safelykept · Posted

      ???. Cowser took more swings against LF than any other LH hitter on the team ( not named  Henderson). He was one of the guys they did not platoon.
    • Big O
      Kevin Seitzer hitting coach?

      By Big O · Posted

      I think Kevin Seiyltzer was the fall guy for a team that thought they were a championship team.  This guy has overseen more a decade of hitting in Atlanta, has been through developing and helping young batters succeed when the league adjusts.  Most importantly, he has a ring! 
    • glenn__davis
      Other teams playoffs game thread

      By glenn__davis · Posted

      Glad one poseur AL team is out.  I hope CLE wins and knocks the other one out tomorrow. 
    • bpilktree67
      The Difference between the O's and other Playoff teams

      By bpilktree67 · Posted

      I honestly think there is very little difference in most the teams that made the playoffs.  The most wins was 98 wins and there was 12 teams with 86 wins or more.  It also seems that many of the teams are on the same page with scouting and analytics now hitting wise.  Years back you had moneyball which the A’s used before anyone else.  Then the Astros and few teams started with analytics and seemed to be ahead of the rest of the league but they have caught up now imo.  Now the move seems to be on launch angle and hitting homers by getting the ball in the air but that seems to be across the league.  Obviously some teams have more money and more talented players but the strategy seems about the same.  The main differences I see is in pitching in the playoffs which is bullpen games and using openers rather then a starter to go 7 innings and carry your team to win now a slight sign of trouble they are taking them out.  With all these short inning guys and pitching them in certain pockets we are seeing very little offense and the hitting with runners in scoring position has been awful.  It all comes down to RISP at bats and getting 1 or 2 big base hits in those situations.  We just haven’t been able to get those hits so far in short series.  
    • OsFanSinceThe80s
      The Difference between the O's and other Playoff teams

      By OsFanSinceThe80s · Posted

      And we've seen similar with Kjerstad. Kjerstad might be the best pure hitting prospect in the Orioles system of recent years besides Gunnar. I want to see him playing everyday next year is possible none of this sitting him versus LHP more often than not. These prospects need to get their reps and stop treating them like John Lowenstein and Benny Ayala.
    • bpilktree67
      Offseason Trade Pondering

      By bpilktree67 · Posted

      I don’t see Elias trading off prospects anymore at least top guys.  We have moved a few guys in last year and I expect they try to build that back up.  They should have money to use if they want to add talent.  
    • OsFanSinceThe80s
      Other teams playoffs game thread

      By OsFanSinceThe80s · Posted

      Blah, well Rob Manfred has to be happy along with Fox network. A Yankees-Mets World Series match up is still on the table and the Dodgers as well if they win tomorrow. I knew the Royals would get jettisoned by the Yankees without too much of a fight.

  • Popular Contributors

×
×
  • Create New...