Farm system could rank in the top 15 after this season

[Roll Tide]

John Manuel of Baseball America said  Hays, Sisco, Hall, Harvey and Mountcastle will likey be in the top 100, with Dj Stewart also has a shot. The article also mentions Mullins, Scott,  and Wells as really good prospects. 

 

As a an Orioles fan you have to be excited about the farm and that despite giving away a number of really good pitchers.

 

 

 

http://www.masnsports.com/steve-melewski/2017/09/the-os-farm-report-a-take-from-baseball-americas-john-manuel.html

[Frobby]

I did not interpret what he said as indicating all those guys would end up in the top 100.   He said Hays was in the top 15-25, that Sisco, Hall, Harvey and Mountcastle would get consideration, and that Stewart had "an outside chance."      I doubt we end up with more than 2-3 on the list.    Remember, there are 30 teams, so 3 should be expected as an average yield.

[fearthenoodle]

He does say that they are in the mix to have 3-5 guys in the top-100. My guess is they land on 3. 

No matter how you want to parse the quotes though, a very positive outlook which is nice to see. 

[bpilktree]

47 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I did not interpret what he said as indicating all those guys would end up in the top 100.   He said Hays was in the top 15-25, that Sisco, Hall, Harvey and Mountcastle would get consideration, and that Stewart had "an outside chance."      I doubt we end up with more than 2-3 on the list.    Remember, there are 30 teams, so 3 should be expected as an average yield.

Yeah and 3 for the Orioles that only have the draft as a way to get players since we never sign any international players would be a good sign for our scouting in that department.  We also haven't had top picks like in the past where getting guys like Manny, Wieters and top prospects helps your chances.   Everyone always talks about how Dan has killed the farm system and if he leaves we are in bad position are just using a grudge.  The farm system this year maybe the best we have had in the last 10 years looking at the depth we have compared to just one or two guys like Manny and then to much else which would pull are ranking up.

[Tx Oriole]

1 hour ago, Roll Tide said:

John Manuel of Baseball America said  Hays, Sisco, Hall, Harvey and Mountcastle will likey be in the top 100, with Dj Stewart also has a shot. The article also mentions Mullins, Scott,  and Wells as really good prospects. 

 

As a an Orioles fan you have to be excited about the farm and that despite giving away a number of really good pitchers.

That's good but my worry is DD trading some of the top prospects for an old washed up pitcher. 

 

 

http://www.masnsports.com/steve-melewski/2017/09/the-os-farm-report-a-take-from-baseball-americas-john-manuel.html

 

[LookitsPuck]

Where

are

the

starting

pitchers?

[Roll Tide]

1 minute ago, LookitsPuck said:

Where

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the

starting

pitchers?

He talks about that as a weakness. 

 

In my mind the Orioles are right in that middle, which to me that is anywhere from 12 to 18, that range. That is a much better place to be than the bottom five.

 

 

Are there some areas where the Orioles come up short?: “Probably in middle infielders and pitching at the upper level of the minors. If you are an Orioles fan you would love to see some pitchers at the upper levels that could help next year.

“With college pitchers like (Cody) Sedlock and (Keegan) Akin there was probably some hope that those guys would move quickly this year and maybe help in the second half of 2018. I don’t think you can count on that because neither of those guys had that kind of season. That is why the Orioles are not quite a top 10 farm system. These things are important - athletic middle infielders and starting pitchers at Double-A or above. Those are two families of players maybe you want the most in a farm system. But on the corners and with some lower level starting pitchers they do have some encouraging signs.”

[Ripken]

It's great, except... we need starting pitchers and we can't play two of those kids with the Davis and Trumbo contracts stinking up the joint.   Some smart trading is the answer but Dan is not the guy I want doing that.

[canonfaz]

Hopefully Harvey is the real deal, but that will only help at the end of the year next year. We need to sign AT LEAST 1 legit starting pitcher. My preference would be to sign 1 good starting pitcher, trade for a decent one, then sign Tillman to a 1 year deal.

[Frobby]

1 minute ago, bpilktree said:

Yeah and 3 for the Orioles that only have the draft as a way to get players since we never sign any international players would be a good sign for our scouting in that department.  We also haven't had top picks like in the past where getting guys like Manny, Wieters and top prospects helps your chances.   Everyone always talks about how Dan has killed the farm system and if he leaves we are in bad position are just using a grudge.  The farm system this year maybe the best we have had in the last 10 years looking at the depth we have compared to just one or two guys like Manny and then to much else which would pull are ranking up.

Gary Rajsich is to be commended for our last few drafts.   He's done a real nice job.

 

[Frobby]

8 minutes ago, LookitsPuck said:

Where

are

the

starting

pitchers?

We have some good candidates, but mostly at the lower levels.

[wildcard]

While BA's Top 100 list is nice to read I don't consider it a good gauge of O's prospects.   Mancini never made the list and he is on the top rookies in baseball.   Santander is never mentioned on the Top 100 but he looks like a really good hitting prospect.  And saying that Dan only gets young players for the draft just is not true.   Castro could be in the rotation at 23 and will never show up on these lists.  Bleier is  older while disqualifies him right away but he has been a valuable addition this year.   Givens will probably be a setup guy and a closer once Britton is gone but he never made these lists. 

[vab]

Good to see, need to add to it this offseason with trades of Machado and Schoop.

[Tx Oriole]

9 minutes ago, canonfaz said:

Hopefully Harvey is the real deal, but that will only help at the end of the year next year. We need to sign AT LEAST 1 legit starting pitcher. My preference would be to sign 1 good starting pitcher, trade for a decent one, then sign Tillman to a 1 year deal.

Thats the part that scares me. Tillman coming back. I'd rather see one of the minor league pitchers coming up than have DD trade for a pitcher. He has failed at that before. Sorry but I don't trust him in that process. 

 

[Frobby]

4 minutes ago, wildcard said:

While BA's Top 30 list is nice to read I don't consider it a good gauge of O's prospects.   Mancini never made the list and he is on the top rookies in baseball.   Santander is never mentioned on the Top 100 but he looks like a really good hitting prospect.  And saying that Dan only gets young players for the draft just is not true.   Castro could be in the rotation at 23 and will never show up on these lists.  Bleier is  older while disqualifies him right away but he has been a valuable addition this year.   Givens will probably be a setup guy and a closer once Britton is gone but he never made these lists. 

I'm not sure what top 30 list you mean, but Mancini was in the BA top 10 for the Orioles in each of the last two years.

The top 100 lists are always going to miss guys.    Remember that such a list covers prospects all the way from just-drafted to major league ready, including kids drafted out of high school and kids who come from Latin America, etc.   Therefore, I'd say a player on the top 100 list should be expected to be one of the top 20-25 players, long term, from the year they reached the majors.     The cutoff for that is somewhere around 10 WAR (at the end of the player's career).    Will Mancini reach that?    Maybe, and he's off to a good start, but a lot of guys who have a good start like him still don't make that threshold.