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Honestly, I don’t see us trading Beckham, nor moving him off SS.   We traded a talented young pitcher to get him, he’s under control for three years, and he’s showing signs of coming into his own.   He gets all of 2018 to show what he can do at SS, in my opinion.    Why move him for Manny, if Manny’s going to be gone in a year anyway?

Now, if Manny said he’d sign long term on the condition we move him to SS, I’d do that in a heartbeat, but I don’t believe that’s a likely scenario at all.

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I was thinking the same thing. I am not really convinced by Beckham as an MLB SS, but he showed enough last year that he probably deserves a spot somewhere as a 2B. Do you move Schoop to 3B? Beckham certainly increased his trade value and that might be the best way to get value for him. Then again I could see him playing some LF too.

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4 hours ago, Lucky_13 said:

Do you put Beckham on the block?

He might be attractive to some teams given the uninspiring options on the free agent market.

How do you plug the hole at 3B?

Simple: If the Orioles move Manny to shortstop, they'd move Beckham to thirdbase. Not that I think they will do that, but Beckham should be moved to thirdbase at some point because he is fundamentally sloppy on defense at shortstop. He's already been moved off of shortstop once but this time he would be guaranteed full-time play at his new position, as opposed to the time-share in Tampa. The team would have less to worry about defensively since Beckham would be involved in fewer plays and, except for playing out-of-position during a shift, would be able to focus on reacting and throwing.

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3 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

The time to move Manny to Shortstop was after the 2014 season.

Not now when you would alienate a player who will be on the team after Manny walks.

 

You are right about the first part.

The second part is a matter of weighing how thin-skinned a player is versus how many sloppy plays the manager can endure watching. I can't envision Beckham becoming a fundamentally sound defensive player at this stage of his career. Sometimes, managers have to make difficult decisions that players don't like. The coaching staff will need to work hard to reassure him the move is in everyone's best interests. Would it be better to "alienate" the pitching staff for the next four seasons as Beckham's sub-par defense causes them undeserved trouble?

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2 minutes ago, Beef Supreme said:

You are right about the first part.

The second part is a matter of weighing how thin-skinned a player is versus how many sloppy plays the manager can endure watching. I can't envision Beckham becoming a fundamentally sound defensive player at this stage of his career. Sometimes, managers have to make difficult decisions that players don't like. The coaching staff will need to work hard to reassure him the move is in everyone's best interests. Would it be better to "alienate" the pitching staff for the next four seasons as Beckham's sub-par defense causes them undeserved trouble?

Word out of Tampa is he didn't like getting moved off Short.

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17 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Word out of Tampa is he didn't like getting moved off Short.

Yes, I remember it well.

Hopefully, that incident desensitized Beckham somewhat. Sometimes, experiencing an unpleasant situation can result in gaining maturity. And it does take maturity to accept that things need to change based on an individual's ability. One could speculate that immaturity led him not to work on his footwork and fundamentals while he was in the minors.

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Beckham had a positive UZR and Rtot this year at SS, and was barely negative in DRS.    Yes he is erratic, but he makes a lot of plus plays too.   He’s staying at SS, and we’ll see if he gets a little less erratic over time or not.    

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1 hour ago, Frobby said:

Beckham had a positive UZR and Rtot this year at SS, and was barely negative in DRS.    Yes he is erratic, but he makes a lot of plus plays too.   He’s staying at SS, and we’ll see if he gets a little less erratic over time or not.    

Agreed, people should remember that there is value in getting to a ball even if the out isn't made at first. It can limit runners from moving up a base or prevent a runner on 2nd (sometimes even on 3rd) from scoring. Tim Beckham gets to more balls than the average MLB SS.  

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9 hours ago, Frobby said:

Beckham had a positive UZR and Rtot this year at SS, and was barely negative in DRS.    Yes he is erratic, but he makes a lot of plus plays too.   He’s staying at SS, and we’ll see if he gets a little less erratic over time or not.    

I agree. 

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20 hours ago, Frobby said:

Honestly, I don’t see us trading Beckham, nor moving him off SS.   We traded a talented young pitcher to get him, he’s under control for three years, and he’s showing signs of coming into his own.   He gets all of 2018 to show what he can do at SS, in my opinion.    Why move him for Manny, if Manny’s going to be gone in a year anyway?

Now, if Manny said he’d sign long term on the condition we move him to SS, I’d do that in a heartbeat, but I don’t believe that’s a likely scenario at all.

1. Maybe him and Manny just flip flop. 

2. Could Buck convince him to try LF?  

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