If they move Manny to shortstop...

[Es4M11]

Would Manny have more range than Beckham at SS?

Personally, I see little value in switching the two in the field. I think it would actually hurt some.

[Tx Oriole]

23 hours ago, Beef Supreme said:

 

Yes, I remember it well.

Hopefully, that incident desensitized Beckham somewhat. Sometimes, experiencing an unpleasant situation can result in gaining maturity. And it does take maturity to accept that things need to change based on an individual's ability. One could speculate that immaturity led him not to work on his footwork and fundamentals while he was in the minors.

Maybe so.

[Frobby]

http://www.masnsports.com/school-of-roch/2017/12/is-there-a-short-answer-to-left-side-of-infield.html

Pretty good discussion here about the pros and cons of moving Manny to SS.    I’m against unless it’s an element of Manny committing to stay here beyond 2018.

[wildcard]

4 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

Agreed.   No reason to move Machado to SS unless it's a condition of him extending here and I wouldn't be too crazy about him dictating that move either.    That would not be best for the current team, IMO.      I"m surprised how down some people are on Beckham at SS.    He has the tools.   His defensive numbers are at least average and he's only had a full season of experience as a ML shortstop.    Give the guy a break.

I don't think anyone can say they know what the O's will get from Beckham at SS.  He has a high ceiling and a low floor.

[Frobby]

10 minutes ago, wildcard said:

I don't think anyone can say they know what the O's will get from Beckham at SS.  He has a high ceiling and a low floor.

I don’t think his floor is that low.   Probably 1-1.5 WAR at the worst, and more erratic at SS than we’re used to.    Considering what we got from Hardy the last three years, that’s an improvement.   And as you note, the ceiling is pretty high.

[sportsfan8703]

1 hour ago, RZNJ said:

Agreed.   No reason to move Machado to SS unless it's a condition of him extending here and I wouldn't be too crazy about him dictating that move either.    That would not be best for the current team, IMO.      I"m surprised how down some people are on Beckham at SS.    He has the tools.   His defensive numbers are at least average and he's only had a full season of experience as a ML shortstop.    Give the guy a break.

I don't think anyone is so down on Beckham.  It's more of whatever we have to do to keep Manny theory.  

[Can_of_corn]

12 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

I don't think anyone is so down on Beckham.  It's more of whatever we have to do to keep Manny theory.  

I disagree, I think a vocal minority are down on him.  I see someone who is likely to put up 2-3 wins at an affordable price.

[wildcard]

1 hour ago, Frobby said:

I don’t think his floor is that low.   Probably 1-1.5 WAR at the worst, and more erratic at SS than we’re used to.    Considering what we got from Hardy the last three years, that’s an improvement.   And as you note, the ceiling is pretty high.

August: 394/417/646/1062

Sept: 180/255/348/603

High pretty high; Low pretty low

[Frobby]

3 hours ago, wildcard said:

August: 394/417/646/1062

Sept: 180/255/348/603

High pretty high; Low pretty low

I’m not very interested in one month worth of stats.   Every player on the team had a sub-.700 month.   Manny had a .587 Sept./Oct.    Does he have a low floor?

[wildcard]

2 hours ago, Frobby said:

I’m not very interested in one month worth of stats.   Every player on the team had a sub-.700 month.   Manny had a .587 Sept./Oct.    Does he have a low floor?

Manny plays outstanding defense.   

[weams]

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(I found it interesting that one veteran noted how Chris Davis laid back on some of those throws to play the hop rather than extend for the ball, suggesting that Beckham wasn’t exclusively responsible for the skips.)

 

http://www.masnsports.com/school-of-roch/2017/12/is-there-a-short-answer-to-left-side-of-infield.html

[foxfield]

3 hours ago, weams said:

http://www.masnsports.com/school-of-roch/2017/12/is-there-a-short-answer-to-left-side-of-infield.html

It is possible that Chris needs time to adjust to Beckham.  He consistently makes grabs of throws from Manny that are off the mark.  That ability, allows Manny to be quicker in getting rid of the ball.  It is not assured, but at least possible that by spring, Chris does that for Beckham as well.  Either way I agree that he has a high ceiling and I think his floor is average ss at a very reasonable cost.  It's a good problem to have.  I wouldn't move Manny to SS unless its a long term Oriole solution. Just my 2 cents.

[Frobby]

Duquette adds some fuel to the fire:

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Meanwhile, Duquette appeared on MLB Network today and said a move to shortstop for Manny Machado is “a possibility,” which echoes what I heard prior to the Winter Meetings.

“I think Manny in his heart of hearts feels he’s a shortstop, right?” Duquette said. “He grew up a shortstop and although he’s one of the best third basemen in the business, I think deep down he likes shortstop, too.”

What happens to Tim Beckham in this scenario?

“We like what Beckham brought to the ballclub last year when he got a chance to play every day,” Duquette said. “He did real well with the bat when we first got him and I thought he played pretty solid defensively, so if Manny’s interested in playing short, that’s something we’re going to have to sort out.

“Beckham has all the tools to be a good shortstop and Manny’s a terrific third baseman, so I still think we’ve got to sort that out.”

 

http://www.masnsports.com/school-of-roch/2017/12/teams-keep-inquiring-about-mychal-givens.html

[foxfield]

4 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Duquette adds some fuel to the fire:

http://www.masnsports.com/school-of-roch/2017/12/teams-keep-inquiring-about-mychal-givens.html

[Sir_Loin]

6 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Duquette adds some fuel to the fire:

http://www.masnsports.com/school-of-roch/2017/12/teams-keep-inquiring-about-mychal-givens.html

This is fuel for trade negotiations.