Are There Three Internal SP Candidates

[Luke-OH]

3 hours ago, TommyPickles said:

I think Ynoa could be a MLB #4-5 starter. The Mets scouts seemed to think so back in the day. He’s looked strong at times, just seems inconsistent.

I think he’ll get a few starts for the Os before the All Star break.

I could see shelling out the money for Cobb (I know this isn’t going to happen), and then just filling the other two spots internally.  Unlikely to be a playoff team, but I think it’d be an interesting team to watch.

I think he’s got a chance too. His fastball has good velocity and late life, the slider is good enough and when he’s on, he can really hit his spots. The lack of a third MLB quality pitch hurts him and I’d like to see improvement of his changeup. Even without it, I think he can eat some innings respectably.

[interloper]

Wright is out of options so he'll be sure to get a look and/or be all but guaranteed to flounder in the rotation for the first month of the season before finally...

FINALLY

FIIIINALLLLYYYY

being DFA'd into the oblivion from whence he came.

[interloper]

9 minutes ago, Luke-OH said:

I think he’s got a chance too. His fastball has good velocity and late life, the slider is good enough and when he’s on, he can really hit his spots. The lack of a third MLB quality pitch hurts him and I’d like to see improvement of his changeup. Even without it, I think he can eat some innings respectably.

I certainly would much rather watch Ynoa than Ubaldo or Wright or even Miley.

[Eddie_Ripken]

34 minutes ago, interloper said:

I certainly would much rather watch Ynoa than Ubaldo or Wright or even Miley.

I certainly don't want to watch a tanked season, but I feel the same as you. I would rather see some of the younger guys than retreads.

That talk sounds so similar to 5 -10 years ago here on OH "I'd much rather them bring up the young guys than to see.....play". As disappointing as the notion that we are heading back to those days is, I do feel that MAYBE the "young guys" this time around may be a little better than they were 8-10 years ago.

[Frobby]

9 minutes ago, Eddie_Ripken said:

I certainly don't want to watch a tanked season, but I feel the same as you. I would rather see some of the younger guys than retreads.

That talk sounds so similar to 5 -10 years ago here on OH "I'd much rather them bring up the young guys than to see.....play". As disappointing as the notion that we are heading back to those days is, I do feel that MAYBE the "young guys" this time around may be a little better than they were 8-10 years ago.

Are they?   Among the seasoned MiL pitchers, I doubt it.   8-10 years ago we had Matusz, Tillman, Arrieta, Britton, Bergesen, Hernandez and others percolating up through our system.    Several of those guys fizzled, at least as starters, but at the time they were a much more highly-rated group than the current one.   

[Luke-OH]

12 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Are they?   Among the seasoned MiL pitchers, I doubt it.   8-10 years ago we had Matusz, Tillman, Arrieta, Britton, Bergesen, Hernandez and others percolating up through our system.    Several of those guys fizzled, at least as starters, but at the time they were a much more highly-rated group than the current one.   

You are right Frobby, the system now has some interesting SP prospects (good depth too, especially in the lower levels) but the only guy who is a top 100 guy is Harvey. Now there are a few guys who could be right there if they have good 2018s, but right now no.  The Orioles position prospects are much stronger now than back then however.  

[Frobby]

1 minute ago, Luke-OH said:

You are right Frobby, the system now has some interesting SP prospects (good depth too, especially in the lower levels) but the only guy who is a top 100 guy is Harvey. Now there are a few guys who could be right there if they have good 2018s, but right now no.  The Orioles position prospects are much stronger now than back then however.  

And the younger guys intrigue me. Lots to follow at Frederick and Delmarva this year, but that’s not going to do our major league rotation any good.    

I keep forgetting about Harvey, but I still think it’s 2019 before he can really help us, and that’s if everything goes great.    

[Eddie_Ripken]

18 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Are they?   Among the seasoned MiL pitchers, I doubt it.   8-10 years ago we had Matusz, Tillman, Arrieta, Britton, Bergesen, Hernandez and others percolating up through our system.    Several of those guys fizzled, at least as starters, but at the time they were a much more highly-rated group than the current one.   

True. Those guys were rated higher and I guess I am thinking with more of a hindsight is 20/20 mentality. 

[wildcard]

2 hours ago, Frobby said:

Are they?   Among the seasoned MiL pitchers, I doubt it.   8-10 years ago we had Matusz, Tillman, Arrieta, Britton, Bergesen, Hernandez and others percolating up through our system.    Several of those guys fizzled, at least as starters, but at the time they were a much more highly-rated group than the current one.   

By 2019 Bundy, Gausman and Harvey may be better than anything the O's got out of those pitchers.

[zjsmith]

I would argue that starting pitching isn't all that important anymore. Not with the way teams are using them. Look at the world series, they were taking all-star pitchers out of games after the 1st or 2nd time through the order. They were even using starters in relief, knowing they only had to face the order 1 time or if at the bottom of the order twice. You need a couple of guys that can eat up innings in the regular season just so you don't overuse the pen. If you look around lots of teams need pitching. A lot of people on here seem to be pretty hard on the Orioles and their system. Unless the Orioles do a complete gut job, like the Astros and now the White Sox, nothing will change. Ask the Tigers' fans. 

[Frobby]

24 minutes ago, wildcard said:

By 2019 Bundy, Gausman and Harvey may be better than anything the O's got out of those pitchers.

I’m not talking about Bundy and Gausman, I’m talking about guys in the minors now.    I do hope that Bundy and Gausman outproduce the guys I named.     

[wildcard]

7 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I’m not talking about Bundy and Gausman, I’m talking about guys in the minors now.    I do hope that Bundy and Gausman outproduce the guys I named.     

But back in the years you were sighting there was no one on the O's major league roster like Bundy and Gausman.   Tillman would reach that  level.  Arrieta got traded before he reached that level.  No one either did as a starter.   So Bundy, Gauman and Harvey could turn out better than what we saw back then.

[Frobby]

7 minutes ago, wildcard said:

But back in the years you were sighting there was no one on the O's major league roster like Bundy and Gausman.   Tillman would reach that  level.  Arrieta got traded before he reached that level.  No one either did as a starter.   So Bundy, Gauman and Harvey could turn out better than what we saw back then.

I was responding to a post about the young guys we might bring in to fill our three open spots. Gausman is essentially the equivalent of Guthrie from that period, though younger.     There really isn’t an equivalent to Bundy.   We brought in Koji to be a starter in 2009, but he didn’t have the stamina for it.   We brought Millwood in as a one-year stopgap in 2010.

[wildcard]

14 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I was responding to a post about the young guys we might bring in to fill our three open spots. Gausman is essentially the equivalent of Guthrie from that period, though younger.     There really isn’t an equivalent to Bundy.   We brought in Koji to be a starter in 2009, but he didn’t have the stamina for it.   We brought Millwood in as a one-year stopgap in 2010.

Right, there was not equivalent to what Bundy,  Gausman and Harvey might become.

[mdbdotcom]

9 hours ago, Frobby said:

Have you seen him pitch this winter?    If not, then what’s the basis for your conclusion?    I certainly agree that he showed nothing last year, so unless he’s made some major strides over the winter he won’t be back in the majors this year.  

The basis of my conclusion is the way he pitched at the end of last year. The drop in velocity. The changes to his off-speed pitches. Watching him warm up before his last start and seeing not one ball hit the catcher's mitt. Also, the fact that his injury was a shoulder injury, and they are tough to come back from. Also, the fact that he altered his motion to favor the shoulder in 2016 and was not able to find his old motion all last season. Pitchers have been screwing up their mechanics to favor injuries for a long time, going back to Dizzy Dean, whose toe was broken in the 1937 All Star game and his alteration of his mechanics ruining what was left of his career. 

If I'm wrong, good for him. If I'm right, he is Brad Bergesen II.