If Andy MacPhail was the O's GM....

[Dipper9]

58 minutes ago, Rene88 said:

My goodness. The obsession with AM on the OH is so bizarre and weird. He made some good trades, definitely. But that’s  all he did. He was a pretty lousy GM besides that. People celebrating the Bedard Trade like we got a ring. 

Give it up, let her go. Move on with your life:) 

Not to mention, as good as the Bedatd trade was, we still had four more losing seasons after that trade before we finally made the playoffs in 2012...under Dan Duquette.  AM made some good trades and established a core, exactly what Dan just did, but it is not a magic pill that turns a team into an instant winner. There is way too much revisionist history when people think of AM.

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

1 hour ago, Tony-OH said:

Yeah, not sure where you are coming from here.

Neither Gausman or Schoop are Bedard level players.

Although I would have liked to have seen at least one impact guy gotten in return, neither player's value was going to much higher than they are right now.

Let's face it with Gausman. He's really a #4 pitcher, maybe #3 at best. He'll pitch better in the NL because they only have to pitch to 7 major league hitters out of 9 in the lineup (#8 guy gets waked a lot in order to pitch to the pitcher) but he was not going to be a guy you extend so might as well move him.

As for Schoop, he has major red flags for plate discipline and his range will only diminish as he gets older. I loved watching Schoop for the Orioles, but he was free agent next year and if the Orioles want him back after next year he'll be a free agent and they'll have money to spend (not saying they would do it).

Let's face it, MacPhail made one great trade with the Mariners for Bedard. I think the Orioles got a decent return for the two considering the fact that Orioles fans probably value Gausman and Schoop more than the rest of baseball.

Gausman is a career underachiever who will likely get a boost playing in the NL.

[mdbdotcom]

Right now the Braves are very happy that Andy runs the Phillies. He sat on his hands while the Braves made bold moves. Phillies could have landed Machado. Guess it didn't percolate.

[Bahama O's Fan]

Andy could maximize a trade but it took forever. No way he trades six players in two weeks.

[Redskins Rick]

7 minutes ago, mdbdotcom said:

Right now the Braves are very happy that Andy runs the Phillies. He sat on his hands while the Braves made bold moves. Phillies could have landed Machado. Guess it didn't percolate.

O'Day is not going to help out the Braves in 2018.

[weams]

2 hours ago, wildcard said:

just think what he could have gotten for Schoop and Gausman.

I am not saying that MacPhail  should be the O's GM.  But the difference between what he could get in return for a trade seems massive compared to what Dan Duquette got for Jonathan and Kevin.

What? That's nuts. Especially if saving money was also an ownership directive. 

[Redskins Rick]

Just now, weams said:

What? That's nuts. Especially if saving money was also an ownership directive. 

I am so glad, I take advantage of the "ignore" function, but when other posters quote that person.

[weams]

Jones and Tillman

Ortiz and Jean Encarnacion and possibly Victor Victor. Easily has the same footprint in the relative time. Projection of actual return is impossible at this point. 

Two late first rounders.

Two high upside A Ball players.

[DirtyBird]

8 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

O'Day is not going to help out the Braves in 2018.

Taking him saved them prospects, so he will help them in 2019 and beyond.

[weams]

Just now, weams said:

Jones and Tillman

Ortiz and Jean Encarnacion and possibly Victor Victor. Easily has the same footprint in the relative time. Projection of actual return is impossible at this point. 

Two late first rounders.

Two high upside A Ball players.

And the best international position player. And he is not a 16 year old. 

[weams]

3 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

I am so glad, I take advantage of the "ignore" function, but when other posters quote that person.

I am so sorry that you are ignoring me

[atomic]

12 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

O'Day is not going to help out the Braves in 2018.

He might not even be on the team in 2019.   I think of O'Day being included in the trade as a 12 million dollar payment. 

[weams]

20 minutes ago, mdbdotcom said:

Right now the Braves are very happy that Andy runs the Phillies. He sat on his hands while the Braves made bold moves. Phillies could have landed Machado. Guess it didn't percolate.

They could have had Gausman as well. And Britton They could have used them all. 

[atomic]

Just now, weams said:

They could have had Gausman as well. And Britton They could have used them all. 

I thought Andy was the president and not the GM.  Does he make player trade decisions for the Phillies?  I think MacPhail is overrated on here.  Maybe compare these trades to what Cashman could have gotten out of these players.

[OriolesMagic83]

1 hour ago, Whammer said:

Heard the post-trade interview with Anthopolos on MLB radio. He sure wasn't ranting and raving about Gausman. Talked more in terms of Gausman's inconsistency and their plans to work with him to improve. Said the trade was risky but they decided to take that risk to keep his top prospects in the system. Other options would have cost him prospects they wanted to keep.

 

Reading comments by Braves fans on MLBtraderumors.  Some Braves fans don't believe Gausman is even an upgrade for the Braves rotation.  I don't know much about the Braves rotation, but I wouldn't want to start Gausman in a win or go home playoff game.  I guess as an O's fan, I placed a high value on Gausman, but he's never done more than hint at his true potential.  What team is going to give up their top prospects for a pitcher that regularly goes from pitching 7+ shutout innings to giving up 5 runs by the 3rd inning.  Was he mentored by Ubaldo?