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"Showalter is adaptable. While he often reminds people that analytics don’t tell the whole story, he’ll listen to anything that would help the team.

He’s a keen observer in baseball trends, too. That’s why commissioner Rob Manfred has him on the game’s Competition Committee, and that knowledge helps him in managing the club.

In recent years, the game has gone away from big personality managers. In their place are younger former players, some of whom have never managed at any level. There aren’t many managers who learned the game in the minor leagues as Showalter did.

It would be a shame if that type of experience was ignored by the Orioles."

 

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22 minutes ago, bobmc said:

Not if you listen to Rich:

"Showalter is adaptable. While he often reminds people that analytics don’t tell the whole story, he’ll listen to anything that would help the team.

He’s a keen observer in baseball trends, too. That’s why commissioner Rob Manfred has him on the game’s Competition Committee, and that knowledge helps him in managing the club.

In recent years, the game has gone away from big personality managers. In their place are younger former players, some of whom have never managed at any level. There aren’t many managers who learned the game in the minor leagues as Showalter did.

It would be a shame if that type of experience was ignored by the Orioles."

 

I just can't imagine keeping a manager on who has seen his team under-perform as badly as this team has over the past calendar year. This team wasn't a playoff caliber team, but it wasn't a 56-108 team on talent from the deadline last year to the deadline this year. That's huge under-performance and a good deal of that blame falls on the manager. 

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11 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I'm pretty sure one of the trends in baseball is to not leave your best reliever on the bench in a playoff game just because it isn't a save situation.

He blew my mind in the last game bringing in Givens for a four out save when he had newbies Phillips and Carroll to test out.  wtf  I guess he "learned from his mistake".

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1 minute ago, Luke-OH said:

I just can't imagine keeping a manager on who has seen his team under-perform as badly as this team has over the past calendar year not get fired. This team wasn't a playoff caliber team, but it wasn't a 56-108 team on talent from the deadline last year to the deadline this year. That's huge under-performance and a good deal of that blame falls on the manager. 

This is kind of where I am.   Buck did not get the best out of his players this year, or anywhere close to it.   I do think he’s a good manager, and could do a good job for a team in a rebuild.     But not this team, right now.    Time for a new voice.    

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Just now, foxfield said:

Seems the “power struggle” isn’t really over. 

Buck has all the beat reporters eating out of his hand still it seems. I doubt the opinion of the beat reporters will hold any sway over what decisions are made by ownership going forward though.

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2 minutes ago, Luke-OH said:

Buck has all the beat reporters eating out of his hand still it seems. I doubt the opinion of the beat reporters will hold any sway over what decisions are made by ownership going forward though.

Especially when you read the comments they get on their pieces, like this one above.

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3 minutes ago, Luke-OH said:

Buck has all the beat reporters eating out of his hand still it seems. I doubt the opinion of the beat reporters will hold any sway over what decisions are made by ownership going forward though.

I agree, but until we name a GM and give him/her full control this ain’t over and at the very least Buck isn’t willing to say it’s over. The obvious assumption is if he is lobbying to keep his job, or to get the GM role, then either that decision has yet to be made or he hasn’t been informed. 

 

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31 minutes ago, Frobby said:

This is kind of where I am.   Buck did not get the best out of his players this year, or anywhere close to it.   I do think he’s a good manager, and could do a good job for a team in a rebuild.     But not this team, right now.    Time for a new voice.    

So you are calling for the O's not be bring Buck back next year.

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