Either overhaul the starting pitching development staff, or stop burning high draft picks on pitchers

[sevastras]

Number 1 overall draft picks-

1991-Brien Taylor LHP, Yankees 

2002-Bryan Bullington RHP, Pirates

1973-David Clyde LHP, Rangers

1997-Matt Anderson RHP, Tigers

1994-Paul Wilson RHP, Mets

All very promising pitchers that either never made it to the majors or stunk it up if they did.  

Brad Radke 8th round, Nolan Ryan 12th round, John Smoltz round 22, Andy Pettitte Round 22, Roy Oswalt round 23, Mark Buehrle round 38

My point is some of the "best" prospects dont pan out and some of the guys you would never guess do turn into something.  

[sportsfan8703]

Grow the bats, buy the arms. Less risk in drafting hitters. You can always trade hitters for pitchers after some other team has developed them. 

[Moose Milligan]

42 minutes ago, sevastras said:

Number 1 overall draft picks-

1991-Brien Taylor LHP, Yankees 

2002-Bryan Bullington RHP, Pirates

1973-David Clyde LHP, Rangers

1997-Matt Anderson RHP, Tigers

1994-Paul Wilson RHP, Mets

All very promising pitchers that either never made it to the majors or stunk it up if they did.  

Brad Radke 8th round, Nolan Ryan 12th round, John Smoltz round 22, Andy Pettitte Round 22, Roy Oswalt round 23, Mark Buehrle round 38

My point is some of the "best" prospects dont pan out and some of the guys you would never guess do turn into something.  

Good points.

Which is why I am going to advocate for my previous idea of selecting nothing but pitchers.  100% pitchers, every round, 3 years in a row. 40 rounds in the MLB draft x 3 years = 120 new pitchers in our system.  

I'm not sure what we'll do for positional players but we we can have some of the pitchers play in the field when they're not pitching.  They only have to make a few throws a game, it shouldn't be any significant wear and tear.  How many chances does a 3rd baseman get in a game, 6 or 7 max?  No problem.  Just think of it as long toss on an off-day.  Same with the pitchers in the outfield.  And if they pitched the day before they get put at first base where they don't have to make any throws.  

Think how awesome it'll be.  Just pitchers drafted.  Our minor league teams will have never ending bullpens.  We won't have to scramble to find pitching depth because every team from Bowie to Delmarva will have nothing but pitchers.  120 pitchers!  Some will HAVE TO pan out. 

Someone blows out their elbow and needs Tommy John?  No problem!  We got plenty more where that came from!  

[Frobby]

The Orioles added a new MiL pitching coordinator, John Wasdin, last year, and a lot of our MiL pitchers have done well since then.      I do think the MiL pitching coaches have remained mostly the same for a long time, with a few shifts in which affiliates they’ve coached.   

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[WarehouseChatter]

It’s organizational.  Period.  No master plan.  No philosophy.  Thank God we struck gold with Mussina or you would have to go back to the early ‘80’s for a semblance of a TOR pitcher.

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1 minute ago, OrangeBlackBird said:

It’s organizational.  Period.  No master plan.  No philosophy.  Thank God we struck gold with Mussina or you would have to go back to the early ‘80’s for a semblance of a TOR pitcher.

Or you know, Bedard.

[WarehouseChatter]

Bedard was pretty dominant in 2007.  I’ll give you that.  

[Finisher]

29 minutes ago, OrangeBlackBird said:

Bedard was pretty dominant in 2007.  I’ll give you that.  

He was excellent that year but it's actually pretty surprising how average he was the rest of his career.

[Orioles1954]

Move the fences back?

[spiritof66]

3 hours ago, Frobby said:

The Orioles added a new MiL pitching coordinator, John Wasdin, last year, and a lot of our MiL pitchers have done well since then.      I do think the MiL pitching coaches have remained mostly the same for a long time, with a few shifts in which affiliates they’ve coached.   

Just displaying my ignorance here as to how this works.

Who made the decision to hire Wasdin, and to whom does he report? What organizational relationship does he have with the MiL managers? With McDowell? With the MiL pitching coaches? With Buck? What does he do -- is he a roving MiL instructor of some sort? I thought there were others with that job who are called "instructors," not "coordinators."

If someone on the Orioles wanted to prescribe a consistent pitching philosophy, the way Ray Miller did (or at least is reported to have done), who would do that? Would Wasdin be part of that?

Is Wasdin involved in decisions about which pitchers in the system gets promoted, who gets released, who will be tried as a starter, etc? Who else is involved in those decisions other than the front office?

Not knowing how these things work, I have looked at the Oriole manager, pitching coach and (to a degree) bullpen coach as the guys in charge of developing pitchers, including supervision of the MiL staff, but maybe that's just wrong. If someone could explain or point me to an explanation of how these pieces either are supposed to fit together in the Orioles system, or how in fact they do or don't fit together, I would appreciate that.

[Tbone83]

4 hours ago, Moose Milligan said:

Good points.

Which is why I am going to advocate for my previous idea of selecting nothing but pitchers.  100% pitchers, every round, 3 years in a row. 40 rounds in the MLB draft x 3 years = 120 new pitchers in our system.  

 

Being a Buffalo Bills fan, that has been an idea around here for years. Draft 3 QB's every year until you get a franchise guy, because it is such an important position and drafting early is no guarantee. Ryan Leaf vs. Tom Brady argument. 

Of course they (or any other sports franchise, that I know of) have not done such a thing, and they have't had a guy since Jim Kelly. 

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5 hours ago, Moose Milligan said:

Good points.

Which is why I am going to advocate for my previous idea of selecting nothing but pitchers.  100% pitchers, every round, 3 years in a row. 40 rounds in the MLB draft x 3 years = 120 new pitchers in our system.  

I'm not sure what we'll do for positional players but we we can have some of the pitchers play in the field when they're not pitching.  They only have to make a few throws a game, it shouldn't be any significant wear and tear.  How many chances does a 3rd baseman get in a game, 6 or 7 max?  No problem.  Just think of it as long toss on an off-day.  Same with the pitchers in the outfield.  And if they pitched the day before they get put at first base where they don't have to make any throws.  

Think how awesome it'll be.  Just pitchers drafted.  Our minor league teams will have never ending bullpens.  We won't have to scramble to find pitching depth because every team from Bowie to Delmarva will have nothing but pitchers.  120 pitchers!  Some will HAVE TO pan out. 

Someone blows out their elbow and needs Tommy John?  No problem!  We got plenty more where that came from!  

Zimmermann is looking good at Bowie today. 

[Chavez Ravine]

The list of homegrown Yankee starting pitchers is probably more motley than the Orioles. Has there been an excellent one between Severino and Pettitte?

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5 minutes ago, Chavez Ravine said:

 

The list of homegrown Yankee starting pitchers is probably more motley than that of the Orioles.

Has there been an excellent one between Severino and Pettitte ???

 

o

 

Ivan Nova had a couple of good years with the Yankees before bottoming out, and then resurrected his career with the Pirates.

 

o