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8 minutes ago, LookitsPuck said:

I'm not upset that Gausman was traded. I'm upset that the return was poor.

We all knew Gausman would put up good numbers in the NL. That was expected. We got Atlanta to eat salary. I don’t think we can judge this trade until the deadline has passed for us to spend international slot money. Let’s see what we do. 

If we don’t spend the money we saved on VVM, then this trade looks terrible. If we do land VVM then it looks good. The argument would then be that VVM was better than any prospect the Braves were willing to trade us and we will have saved a bit of O’day money. 

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17 minutes ago, LookitsPuck said:

I'm not upset that Gausman was traded. I'm upset that the return was poor.

I don't necessarily disagree, I am just more open to seeing what the return actually is over it's full lifetime.  There is no question that the haul for Archer was much better.  But it does kind of depend on all that money.  I hope you are wrong. We'll see

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7 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

We all knew Gausman would put up good numbers in the NL. That was expected. We got Atlanta to eat salary. I don’t think we can judge this trade until the deadline has passed for us to spend international slot money. Let’s see what we do. 

If we don’t spend the money we saved on VVM, then this trade looks terrible. If we do land VVM then it looks good. The argument would then be that VVM was better than any prospect the Braves were willing to trade us and we will have saved a bit of O’day money. 

I just don't think they should be related. That international slot money wasn't worth much to the Braves considering most of the premium players are signed already. And that $2.5m isn't going to net them VVM.

So the problem here...is how does Gausman for 2+ years at a reasonable salary net you essentially just a salary dump and so-so prospects? The O'Day salary dump shouldn't have been included, honestly.

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2 minutes ago, LookitsPuck said:

I just don't think they should be related. That international slot money wasn't worth much to the Braves considering most of the premium players are signed already. And that $2.5m isn't going to net them VVM.

So the problem here...is how does Gausman for 2+ years at a reasonable salary net you essentially just a salary dump and so-so prospects? The O'Day salary dump shouldn't have been included, honestly.

Aren't the Braves still under penalty in the International Market?

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1 minute ago, LookitsPuck said:

I just don't think they should be related. That international slot money wasn't worth much to the Braves considering most of the premium players are signed already. And that $2.5m isn't going to net them VVM.

So the problem here...is how does Gausman for 2+ years at a reasonable salary net you essentially just a salary dump and so-so prospects? The O'Day salary dump shouldn't have been included, honestly.

I agree they gave away something they couldn't use...but how can you not include O'Day.  They have to pay him.  If it's that easy to discard the value of that...maybe there is hope for trading Crud Davis. ;) 

 

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6 minutes ago, LookitsPuck said:

I just don't think they should be related. That international slot money wasn't worth much to the Braves considering most of the premium players are signed already. And that $2.5m isn't going to net them VVM.

So the problem here...is how does Gausman for 2+ years at a reasonable salary net you essentially just a salary dump and so-so prospects? The O'Day salary dump shouldn't have been included, honestly.

That 2.5M on top of what they already have, gives them the most money to go after VVM.

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4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Aren't the Braves still under penalty in the International Market?

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Atlanta will be prohibited from signing any international player for more than $10,000 during the 2019-20 signing period and its international signing bonus pool for the 2020-21 signing period will be reduced by 50 percent.

 

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On 8/14/2018 at 11:21 AM, ORIOLE33 said:

Schoop has spent time on the bench he’s been so bad. Gausman hasn’t exactly turned it around. Zach has been dreadfully bad. Even Manny hasn’t exactly been all that good since going to LA. So far, all these trades are looking pretty good.

With that being said, I want to see our former players do well, particularly Schoop and Manny. I’m not too surprised that Schoop has struggled, but I expected more from Manny. He wants that HUGE contract, he better turn it around.

Gausman is 2-1 with an ERA under 3 and a WHIP just over 1. I'd say that's pretty damn good.

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33 minutes ago, Dark Helmet said:

Gausman is 2-1 with an ERA under 3 and a WHIP just over 1. I'd say that's pretty damn good.

Agreed, but it’s not like anybody’s results mean much yet.   Can we wait longer than 3 starts before jumping to conclusions?    

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3 hours ago, Malike said:

Gausman is a 2 pitch pitcher in a new league. I suspect he will end up close to what he was here once teams get used to seeing him.

I like him a lot. He will do well there. We got a few guys and offloaded O'Day. Which I realize means nothing to anyone not paying for O'Day. 

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1 hour ago, Frobby said:

Agreed, but it’s not like anybody’s results mean much yet.   Can we wait longer than 3 starts before jumping to conclusions?    

Gausman was always a second half pitcher. Why, I don't know. 

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1 hour ago, Frobby said:

Agreed, but it’s not like anybody’s results mean much yet.   Can we wait longer than 3 starts before jumping to conclusions?    

The OP said that all the former Orioles have been horrible so far. I was just pointing put that Gausman has been good. Though I figured a change of scenery (especially to the NL) would benefit Gausman. Wait until he wins 20 next year. Ledges look out.

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The OP said that all the former Orioles have been horrible so far. I was just pointing put that Gausman has been good.

Yeah, that’s why I started out with “agreed.”   It’s silly to be judging results yet, but the OP was wrong about several players’ performance to date.    Gausman certainly has done a good job for Atlanta so far.

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