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More TTP obsession from Roch:

 

The Orioles must lean upon Ramírez’s earlier success and resist the urge to punt on him based on what they’ve been subjected to lately.

“This guy, he’s got some good intangibles I like about him,” Showalter said. “It’s just, they’re having to learn on the job. It’s tough. You’re facing a team that’s got four of their starters in the top 10 in ERA. Runs are going to be at a premium with them.

“Little things like holding runners. One of the reasons David stayed out there for six innings was because he was 1.2 to the plate. One reason Yefry has trouble is he’s 1.4, 1.5, 1.6, and we’ve been trying to correct that. That’s a mechanical thing.

 

Amazing how many times Buck brings this up. Is that really an important problem with Ramirez?

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17 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

With base stealing at an all time high it is vitally important to try and curtail it.  This isn't 2017 when teams didn't run very much.

Yeah but our pitching development is at an all-time suck and the weird stuff we do to guys who aren't comfortable with it seems to be contributing.

Granted, I'm about as far removed from the process as possible, but there's a history of negative feedback from former pitchers on how we develop them.  And a history of guys going off and being successful elsewhere, in a way that happens less for our own imports (Miguel Gonzalez, Richard Bleier).

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1 hour ago, Ohfan67 said:

More TTP obsession from Roch:

 

The Orioles must lean upon Ramírez’s earlier success and resist the urge to punt on him based on what they’ve been subjected to lately.

“This guy, he’s got some good intangibles I like about him,” Showalter said. “It’s just, they’re having to learn on the job. It’s tough. You’re facing a team that’s got four of their starters in the top 10 in ERA. Runs are going to be at a premium with them.

“Little things like holding runners. One of the reasons David stayed out there for six innings was because he was 1.2 to the plate. One reason Yefry has trouble is he’s 1.4, 1.5, 1.6, and we’ve been trying to correct that. That’s a mechanical thing.

 

Amazing how many times Buck brings this up. Is that really an important problem with Ramirez?

Ramirez will get lit up if you simplify his delivery, his crossfire action is what let’s his subpar fastball play enough to be a MLB pitcher. I’m not sure he’s more than middle relief/swingman anyways, but without deception he won’t even be that.

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32 minutes ago, LocoChris said:

That doesn't explain why our pitchers still suck with the bases empty.

It does if “fixing” this issue messed up what got them to the majors. 

I always felt Matusz got broken “fixing” or focusing on his ttp. Obviously not provable either way. 

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Complaints about TTTP from posters that also post about the poor CS of catchers need to not post about neither.  The pitcher/catcher tandem must work together to enable teams to have a high CS Rate.  TTTP is part of the equation.  Some pitchers do have a lot of wasted motion in their deliveries that does not make for a clean delivery out of the "Stretch".  For most, it is too late to correct once they get to this level.

I agree, that once here, they should not be correcting this during the season.  It is also why certain pitchers, late in close games, get pulled once runners are on base.  It would seem that Buck Showalter may be the only Manager willing to address this in the MEDIA hence the posts on here for his head.

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8 hours ago, makoman said:

It does if “fixing” this issue messed up what got them to the majors. 

I always felt Matusz got broken “fixing” or focusing on his ttp. Obviously not provable either way. 

Matusz was a 2 pitch pitcher, they normally dont manage to be more than relievers.

 

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17 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Before the TTTP thing he had a nice change up.

I remember it actually being four pitches he could spot. FB, Curve, Slider, Change. He had a decent first year in 2009, and the back half of his 2010 was fantastic: 

 
Year Age Tm Lg W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF ERA+ FIP WHIP H9 HR9 BB9 SO9 SO/W Awards
2009 22 BAL AL 5 2 .714 4.63 8 8 0 0 0 0 44.2 52 24 23 6 14 0 38 0 0 0 196 99 4.08 1.478 10.5 1.2 2.8 7.7 2.71  
2010 23 BAL AL 10 12 .455 4.30 32 32 0 0 0 0 175.2 173 88 84 19 63 3 143 7 0 1 760 96 4.05 1.343 8.9 1.0 3.2 7.3 2.27

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Split W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF WHIP SO9 SO/W
April/March 2 1 .667 4.40 5 5 0 0 0 0 30.2 31 15 15 2 10 0 29 1 0 0 130 1.337 8.5 2.90
May 0 4 .000 7.50 5 5 0 0 0 0 24.0 38 22 20 3 10 0 16 0 0 0 120 2.000 6.0 1.60
June 0 4 .000 3.69 6 6 0 0 0 0 39.0 35 18 16 6 11 1 25 2 0 0 164 1.179 5.8 2.27
July 1 2 .333 8.10 5 5 0 0 0 0 20.0 21 18 18 3 16 0 21 2 0 0 100 1.850 9.5 1.31
August 4 1 .800 2.43 6 6 0 0 0 0 37.0 33 10 10 3 7 1 26 1 0 0 145 1.081 6.3 3.71
Sept/Oct 3 0 1.000 1.80 5 5 0 0 0 0 25.0 15 5 5 2 9 1 26 1 0 1 101 0.960 9.4 2.89
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