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Who Will Get Cut From The 40-Man By Opening Day?


Matt Bennett

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My guess:

1) Adam Jones (Obviously)

2) Caleb Joseph

3) Andrew Susac

4) Engelb Vielma

5) Corban Joseph

6) Jace Peterson

7) John Andreoli

8)Mike Wright

9) Sean Gilmartin

10) Donnie Hart

Keep in mind that:

A) Mark Trumbo, Richard Bleier, Austin Hays, Pedro Aruajo will have to be added back from the 60-day-DL

B) Martin Cervenka, Branden Kline, and Dillon Tate will almost certainly be added to the 40-man to be protected from the Rule V Draft

C) Other candidates to be added to the 40-man to be protected from the Rule V Draft: Jay Flaa, Chris Lee, Gabriel Ynoa, Mike Yaztremski, Luis Gonzalez

D) How many outside additions be made?

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The Orioles currently have 5 players (Araujo, Bleier, Hays, Trumbo and Ynoa) on the 60 day DL and Colby Rasmus on the restricted list. When those on the 60 day DL are added back and Colby Rasmus is officially removed, the Orioles will have a full 40 man roster. They'll get down to 39 when Adam Jones declares for free agency. Last year's deadline date for setting the 40 man roster to protect players from the Rule 5 draft was November 20.

From Steve Melewski's list of those requiring protection from the Rule 5 draft 
http://www.masnsports.com/steve-melewski/2018/09/drafta-look-at-some-minor-league-rule-5-eligible-orioles.html
I would add Dillon Tate, Chris Lee, Branden Kline and Martin Cervenka. To make room for those additions, I would  DFA Donnie Hart,  Mike Wright Jr. and Andrew Susac. That brings the 40 man roster full.

As necessary, I would remove players from the 40 man roster in the following order:
John Andreoli
Ѐngelb Vielma
Pedro Araujo
Tim Beckham (non-tender)
Jace Peterson (non-tender)
Ryan Meisinger
John Means
Evan Phillips
Gabriel Ynoa

I would attempt to continue to control Sean Gilmartin and Corban Joseph as I believe they each can contribute positively.

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Chris Lee isn't worth protecting. The O's added him to the 40-man a year or two ago and he has stunk ever since, which is why he was removed. His prospect days are behind him.

I also don't see the need to protect Corban Joseph. What use does a rebuilding club have for a 30-year-old pinch-hitting specialist? I'd sooner keep Araujo, Meisinger, Means, and maybe others on the 40-man than Corban Joseph.

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10 minutes ago, PaulFolk said:

Chris Lee isn't worth protecting. The O's added him to the 40-man a year or two ago and he has stunk ever since, which is why he was removed. His prospect days are behind him.

I also don't see the need to protect Corban Joseph. What use does a rebuilding club have for a 30-year-old pinch-hitting specialist? I'd sooner keep Araujo, Meisinger, Means, and maybe others on the 40-man than Corban Joseph.

I appreciate your opinion but:

Have you seen Chis Lee pitch recently?  My recent first-hand observation of him in the AFL suggests that he's worth a good look as  a lefty long reliever.

As to Corban Joseph, it's a matter of preference -- I prefer bat first, position-versatile, positive attitude mature types to unproven relievers with less than power arms.

I'm fine with none-power arms when they demonstrate reasonable effectiveness at the MLB level -- hence, Sean Gilmartin.

 

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31 minutes ago, AZRon said:

I appreciate your opinion but:

Have you seen Chis Lee pitch recently?  My recent first-hand observation of him in the AFL suggests that he's worth a good look as  a lefty long reliever.

As to Corban Joseph, it's a matter of preference -- I prefer bat first, position-versatile, positive attitude mature types to unproven relievers with less than power arms.

I'm fine with none-power arms when they demonstrate reasonable effectiveness at the MLB level -- hence, Sean Gilmartin.

 

How much weight should we give an AFL stint?

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Starters: (10)  Cobb, Bundy, Cashner, Hess, Ramirez, Ortiz, Rogers, Means, Harvey, Tate

Relievers:(13)  Givens, Fry, Bleier, Castro, Gilmartin, Araujo, Kline, Phillips, Flaa, Yacabonis, Carroll, Scott, Meisinger

Catchers: (3) Wynns, Sisco, Cervenka

Infielders: (6) Davis, Villar, Nunez, Wilkerson, Valera

Outfielders: (6) Mullins, Mancini, Rickard, Stewart, Hays, Santander

DH: (1) Trumbo

Rule 5: (1)

Total 40

After the AFL is over I would make a decision between Flaa vs  Caleb Joseph.

Coming off the 40 man roster: (11 or 12 ) Hart, Wright, Ynoa, Susac, Beckham, Corban Joseph,  Peterson,  Vielma,  Andreoli, Jones and possibly Caleb Joseph

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4 hours ago, Matt Bennett said:

My guess:

1) Adam Jones (Obviously)

2) Caleb Joseph

3) Andrew Susac

4) Engelb Vielma

5) Corban Joseph

6) Jace Peterson

7) John Andreoli

8)Mike Wright

9) Sean Gilmartin

10) Donnie Hart

Keep in mind that:

A) Mark Trumbo, Richard Bleier, Austin Hays, Pedro Aruajo will have to be added back from the 60-day-DL

B) Martin Cervenka, Branden Kline, and Dillon Tate will almost certainly be added to the 40-man to be protected from the Rule V Draft

C) Other candidates to be added to the 40-man to be protected from the Rule V Draft: Jay Flaa, Chris Lee, Gabriel Ynoa, Mike Yaztremski, Luis Gonzalez

D) How many outside additions be made?

No way they protect Yaz.   And no way anyone takes him in the Rule V if they don't.   Doubt they protect Ynoa either.

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2 hours ago, AZRon said:

The Orioles currently have 5 players (Araujo, Bleier, Hays, Trumbo and Ynoa) on the 60 day DL and Colby Rasmus on the restricted list. When those on the 60 day DL are added back and Colby Rasmus is officially removed, the Orioles will have a full 40 man roster. They'll get down to 39 when Adam Jones declares for free agency. Last year's deadline date for setting the 40 man roster to protect players from the Rule 5 draft was November 20.

From Steve Melewski's list of those requiring protection from the Rule 5 draft 
http://www.masnsports.com/steve-melewski/2018/09/drafta-look-at-some-minor-league-rule-5-eligible-orioles.html
I would add Dillon Tate, Chris Lee, Branden Kline and Martin Cervenka. To make room for those additions, I would  DFA Donnie Hart,  Mike Wright Jr. and Andrew Susac. That brings the 40 man roster full.

As necessary, I would remove players from the 40 man roster in the following order:
John Andreoli
Ѐngelb Vielma
Pedro Araujo
Tim Beckham (non-tender)
Jace Peterson (non-tender)
Ryan Meisinger
John Means
Evan Phillips
Gabriel Ynoa

I would attempt to continue to control Sean Gilmartin and Corban Joseph as I believe they each can contribute positively.

Wow. Totally disagree with removing Araujo, Meisinger, Means, and Phillips before Ynoa, Gilmartin, and Joseph. Those first bunch is exactly who the Orioles should be evaluating in 2019(Araujo will spend almost all of 2019 in the minors).

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Added to 40-man roster (3):
SP Dillon Tate
RP Branden Kline
C Martin Cervenka

Activated from 60-day DL (5):
SP Gabriel Ynoa
RP Pedro Araujo
RP Richard Bleier
OF Austin Hays
DH Mark Trumbo

Free Agent (1):
CF Adam Jones

Non-Tender (2):
C Caleb Joseph
SS Tim Beckham

Release (7):
RP Sean Gilmartin
RP Mike Wright Jr.
C Andrew Susac
IF Corban Joseph
IF Steve Wilkerson
OF John Andreoli
OF Anthony Santander

That's a total of 10 openings and 8 additions prior to Rule V draft, leaving room for 2 picks.

I expect free agent activity at SS and SP (and maybe RF), which could result in cuts of Ynoa and either Vielma or Valera.

All of the fringe starters (Ynoa, Hess, Ramirez, Rogers) as well as Cashner are just innings filler and can go at any time an upgrade is available, either now or during the season.

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7 minutes ago, BobDylanBundy said:

Added to 40-man roster (3):
SP Dillon Tate
RP Branden Kline
C Martin Cervenka

Activated from 60-day DL (5):
SP Gabriel Ynoa
RP Pedro Araujo
RP Richard Bleier
OF Austin Hays
DH Mark Trumbo

Free Agent (1):
CF Adam Jones

Non-Tender (2):
C Caleb Joseph
SS Tim Beckham

Release (7):
RP Sean Gilmartin
RP Mike Wright Jr.
C Andrew Susac
IF Corban Joseph
IF Steve Wilkerson
OF John Andreoli
OF Anthony Santander

That's a total of 10 openings and 8 additions prior to Rule V draft, leaving room for 2 picks.

I expect free agent activity at SS and SP (and maybe RF), which could result in cuts of Ynoa and either Vielma or Valera.

All of the fringe starters (Ynoa, Hess, Ramirez, Rogers) as well as Cashner are just innings filler and can go at any time an upgrade is available, either now or during the season.

I don't understand releasing Wilkerson or Santander, along with releasing Gilmartin over Hart.

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23 minutes ago, BobDylanBundy said:

Added to 40-man roster (3):
SP Dillon Tate
RP Branden Kline
C Martin Cervenka

Activated from 60-day DL (5):
SP Gabriel Ynoa
RP Pedro Araujo
RP Richard Bleier
OF Austin Hays
DH Mark Trumbo

Free Agent (1):
CF Adam Jones

Non-Tender (2):
C Caleb Joseph
SS Tim Beckham

Release (7):
RP Sean Gilmartin
RP Mike Wright Jr.
C Andrew Susac
IF Corban Joseph
IF Steve Wilkerson
OF John Andreoli
OF Anthony Santander

That's a total of 10 openings and 8 additions prior to Rule V draft, leaving room for 2 picks.

I expect free agent activity at SS and SP (and maybe RF), which could result in cuts of Ynoa and either Vielma or Valera.

All of the fringe starters (Ynoa, Hess, Ramirez, Rogers) as well as Cashner are just innings filler and can go at any time an upgrade is available, either now or during the season.

I hope the infatuation with rule V picks is over.

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