Will this weekend be the last time we see Chris Davis in Baltimore?

[Sanfran327]

Just now, John Welch said:

Fair enough. And I suspect we agree with the idea that there's no way on earth that Elias "wants" Davis on the roster. 

That's the hope.

[Redskins Rick]

Just now, John Welch said:

Fair enough. And I suspect we agree with the idea that there's no way on earth that Elias "wants" Davis on the roster. 

AMEN Choir is singing.

[DrungoHazewood]

35 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

I got no problem with disagreements, hell, I dont agree with myself sometimes.

But, look at the stats, they are pretty bad, -1.6 WAR and Davis did a -1.4 this year.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/howarry01.shtml

There's a certain respectability that comes with a .690 or .720 OPS you just can't get when you're a first baseman with a .539.  You can convince some people that a .700 OPS, 20 homers and 80 RBI is okay in a way that you'll never do with a .168-16-49 line.  And Davis' '19 production is slightly better because his playing time and role has been more limited to protect him from things like left-handed pitching.

[Aristotelian]

51 minutes ago, Three Run Homer said:

I don't see how Ryan Mountcastle can get an opportunity in Baltimore as long as Chris Davis is still on the roster.  The O's have too many LF/1B/DH types even without Chris Davis, and Mountcastle has done more than enough to earn a shot.  I think this offseason is when they finally pull the trigger on Davis.  

Mancini 1B (until he is traded). Mountcastle DH (until Mancini is traded).

Davis can be on the roster without playing every day, even without the additional roster spot they'll have next year.

2019 is definitely not the last time we see Davis.

[Can_of_corn]

7 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

There's a certain respectability that comes with a .690 or .720 OPS you just can't get when you're a first baseman with a .539.  You can convince some people that a .700 OPS, 20 homers and 80 RBI is okay in a way that you'll never do with a .168-16-49 line.  And Davis' '19 production is slightly better because his playing time and role has been more limited to protect him from things like left-handed pitching.

OPS+

Howard: 91,115,92,96,85

Davis: 110,96,49,49.  With three seasons to go.

 

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Aristotelian said:

Mancini 1B (until he is traded). Mountcastle DH (until Mancini is traded).

Davis can be on the roster without playing every day, even without the additional roster spot they'll have next year.

2019 is definitely not the last time we see Davis.

Why would you DH Mountcastle over Mancini?

[Aristotelian]

Just now, Can_of_corn said:

Why would you DH Mountcastle over Mancini?

To build Mancini's defensive value to start the season. Then you trade him and Mountcastle takes over.

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Aristotelian said:

To build Mancini's defensive value to start the season. Then you trade him and Mountcastle takes over.

You think other teams are going to fall for that?

Mancini seems to be able to handle DHing without an offensive dropoff.  He also isn't real good at first. 

[Aristotelian]

10 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

You think other teams are going to fall for that?

Mancini seems to be able to handle DHing without an offensive dropoff.  He also isn't real good at first. 

I don't know that he's been given a fair shot. I'd like to see what he can do every day. Of course I would not be upset if they had a reason for flipping them. The point being, there is room on the roster for Davis. Protecting guys from the Rule 5 is a concern but I still don't see them getting rid of Davis just yet.

[MongoBoy]

33 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

You think other teams are going to fall for that?

Mancini seems to be able to handle DHing without an offensive dropoff.  He also isn't real good at first. 

He does kind of throw like a girl (or whatever pronoun is allowed nowadays).

[MongoBoy]

1 hour ago, Redskins Rick said:

AMEN Choir is singing.

[DrungoHazewood]

1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

OPS+

Howard: 91,115,92,96,85

Davis: 110,96,49,49.  With three seasons to go.

 

Yep.  Howard was also a minus-first baseman.  Howard was never as bad offensively as Davis, but he was a -9 first baseman and a -2 baserunner.  This year Davis sits at +1 and 0. 

Davis is a little worse, but it's partially the perception.  No one really expects your first baseman to field or run well, but they should hit better than a Rule 5 shortstop.

And yes, three more years.  It would be an interesting science experiment.  Can you decline as a hitter from "crater" to "normal NL pitcher" if you start off as a real major league hitter?  I kind of think that Rafael Palmerio could out-hit Davis right now, at the age of 54.

[Sanfran327]

1 minute ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Yep.  Howard was also a minus-first baseman.  Howard was never as bad offensively as Davis, but he was a -9 first baseman and a -2 baserunner.  This year Davis sits at +1 and 0. 

Davis is a little worse, but it's partially the perception.  No one really expects your first baseman to field or run well, but they should hit better than a Rule 5 shortstop.

It's a bad look if they don't.

[DrungoHazewood]

1 hour ago, Aristotelian said:

Mancini 1B (until he is traded). Mountcastle DH (until Mancini is traded).

Davis can be on the roster without playing every day, even without the additional roster spot they'll have next year.

2019 is definitely not the last time we see Davis.

In the 1800s teams would play with a 12- or 13-man roster, so it's possible to hide me or you on a 25-man roster and still have a semi-functional baseball team.

The question is whether it makes any sense to do that.  It doesn't.

[drjohnnyfeva]

1 hour ago, Aristotelian said:

I don't know that he's been given a fair shot. I'd like to see what he can do every day. Of course I would not be upset if they had a reason for flipping them. The point being, there is room on the roster for Davis. Protecting guys from the Rule 5 is a concern but I still don't see them getting rid of Davis just yet.

Mancini has not been given a fair shot at 1B, but that's not the issue now.  If Mancini is going to be traded it will be based on what he did this year not what he might do with playing time at 1B next year.

Mancini isn't going to be here as a DH very long if at all.  If Mountcastle is ready, he's going to be-  should be- played at 1B.  The only caveat would be that Mountcastle's 1B play is accepted as MLB ready and it's the hitting they are worried about.  That's legit.  Mancini has demonstrated MLB hitting ability and not been given 1B play.  His 1B play next year, if he's here, would be to evaluate Mountcastle's hitting exclusively. 

Leftovers.... Davis.  Time for the farewell party.  Thanks for everything.  We couldn't have done what we did in those runs at a Championship without you, but it's time to pack your things.