Jump to content

Villar Traded to Marlins for LHS Easton Lucas


weams

Recommended Posts

18 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Be that as it may I don't see the relevance of stating what payroll was under Peter when Peter is no longer setting payroll.

It was a response to the other poster saying the family didn’t have deep enough pockets.

They have them ... but as mentioned they don’t need them based on the math that I provided in my past.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, ThomasTomasz said:
 

Nothing prohibits her from letting the sons run the team.  One of them needs to be selected as the ownership representative to MLB, however.  Same thing is done with the Lerner family due to Ted's age.  

Ted formally turned over the reins to his son, but he is seen in public fairly frequently and appears to be in decent health and of sound mind.     Last I checked, the O’s still had not replaced Peter as the formal team rep (MLB requires every team to have a single rep), but he hasn’t appeared publicly in years and nobody really knows his exact health situation or mental condition.    It seems to be a closely guarded secret.    Why they’re so secretive about it is unclear.    

Link to comment
Share on other sites

This trade is BS.  Jonathan Villar is a good player, probably the Orioles' best player last season.  I'd be fine with trading him for a real prospect, but apparently nobody wanted him badly enough to offer a real prospect.  If nobody wants to give up a real propsect for him, then fine, you keep him and let him produce for you, and maybe someone will need an upgrade at next year's trade deadline.   

Instead the O's trade him for the proverbial bag of balls, even though they don't have an advanced prospect waiting to take his job, just because they don't want to pay a fair market salary for a decent ballplayer.   

This trade won't help the O's win games next year and it won't help the O's win games in the future.  This is not a rebuilding trade.  It is a "Save the Angelos family some money" trade.  Total BS.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, Three Run Homer said:

This trade is BS.  Jonathan Villar is a good player, probably the Orioles' best player last season.  I'd be fine with trading him for a real prospect, but apparently nobody wanted him badly enough to offer a real prospect.  If nobody wants to give up a real propsect for him, then fine, you keep him and let him produce for you, and maybe someone will need an upgrade at next year's trade deadline.   

Instead the O's trade him for the proverbial bag of balls, even though they don't have an advanced prospect waiting to take his job, just because they don't want to pay a fair market salary for a decent ballplayer.   

This trade won't help the O's win games next year and it won't help the O's win games in the future.  This is not a rebuilding trade.  It is a "Save the Angelos family some money" trade.  Total BS.  

If MLB as a whole thought it was a fair market salary for him the O's would have received a stronger return on the trade.

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, Three Run Homer said:

This trade is BS.  Jonathan Villar is a good player, probably the Orioles' best player last season.  I'd be fine with trading him for a real prospect, but apparently nobody wanted him badly enough to offer a real prospect.  If nobody wants to give up a real propsect for him, then fine, you keep him and let him produce for you, and maybe someone will need an upgrade at next year's trade deadline.   

Instead the O's trade him for the proverbial bag of balls, even though they don't have an advanced prospect waiting to take his job, just because they don't want to pay a fair market salary for a decent ballplayer.   

This trade won't help the O's win games next year and it won't help the O's win games in the future.  This is not a rebuilding trade.  It is a "Save the Angelos family some money" trade.  Total BS.  

If we trade him at the deadline this season, we're getting the exact same player. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, interloper said:

Where do we think Easton starts this year? Frederick? 

I doubt that.    Delmarva had a very strong staff this year and almost all of them will be promoted to Frederick.   No room there for Easton, who will compete for a spot in the Delmarva rotation, I expect.   

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, Three Run Homer said:

This trade is BS.  Jonathan Villar is a good player, probably the Orioles' best player last season.  I'd be fine with trading him for a real prospect, but apparently nobody wanted him badly enough to offer a real prospect.  If nobody wants to give up a real propsect for him, then fine, you keep him and let him produce for you, and maybe someone will need an upgrade at next year's trade deadline.   

Instead the O's trade him for the proverbial bag of balls, even though they don't have an advanced prospect waiting to take his job, just because they don't want to pay a fair market salary for a decent ballplayer.   

This trade won't help the O's win games next year and it won't help the O's win games in the future.  This is not a rebuilding trade.  It is a "Save the Angelos family some money" trade.  Total BS.  

As someone said earlier, the Orioles have a 0% chance of making the playoffs next year, with or without Villar.  There's no reason to pay someone that amount of money if he doesn't move the needle towards postseason play.  

I don't know who'd all of a sudden trade a "real prospect" for him at the deadline next year.  I don't think it works that way.  

Jonathan Villar is a good player, I liked him.  He was fun to watch.  "I'm buying a ticket to go see Jonathan Villar play," said no one ever.  The results for the 2020 Orioles will be the same without him as they would with him.  

  • Upvote 2
  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I say Delmarva.

 

1 minute ago, Frobby said:

I doubt that.    Delmarva had a very strong staff this year and almost all of them will be promoted to Frederick.   No room there for Easton, who will compete for a spot in the Delmarva rotation, I expect.   

Makes sense. He feels awfully old for Delmarva though. But won't turn 24 until the end of the season.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, interloper said:

 

Makes sense. He feels awfully old for Delmarva though. But won't turn 24 until the end of the season.

He’s a bit old, but he’s also inexperienced.    Maybe if he shines at Delmarva they move him to Frederick during the season, but I think he’ll have to earn it.   

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.




  • Posts

    • The Orioles starters absolutely have to do better against the Royals. You can't ask this bullpen to pitch most of the game and expect to win. Right now I probably trust Coulombe the most and Soto (which I never would have guessed a couple weeks back). Perez has been really shaky recently to the point I'm wondering is he nursing a tired arm or minor injuey. Cano hasn't been good as well and O's really need him to get back into a groove. And Akin is usually trustworthy, but only starting the inning clean.
    • I'll be working at Gate F.  If you're getting drunk at Pickles before the game and then walk through the closest gate, you'll walk right past me.
    • What happens if it rains all day?
    • For me, bullpen strategy in a short series is developing a core principle or two and working backwards from that. That’s usually going to involve how we want to pitch to their best guys. In this case, there’s really no way to game Witt. He doesn’t have any discernible platoon splits, and in fact he destroyed RHPs this year. He doesn’t even have any particular pitches he struggles against. If you have to pitch to him, power stuff seems to be the way to go — if he has any weakness, it seems like maybe it’s LHPs who can attack him with high velocity and some sort of off speed weapon (Skubal, Framber, Kikuchi, EdRod, Rodon, Sale, Gore). So maybe you’re looking at Soto and Perez there, although you really just shouldn’t be pitching to him at all if you can avoid it. Beyond him, the other “hero” is Salvador Perez. And that’s from where I’d be building out my strategy. He probably should not see a LHP all series. There’s a fairly meaningful career platoon split there (109 wRC+ to 101), and it’s been more pronounced this year (130 to 110). I would be looking to force feed him ABs against Cano (1/4 with a single), Webb (0/2 with two Ks), and Dominguez. He’s always had trouble with offspeed stuff, which means Webb might be the preferred option. They’ve faced a ton of LH starters in the last week or so, but it seems like their preferred lineup against RHPs stacks LH hitters like Melendez and Gurriel behind Perez. Melendez is awful against LHPs, so ideally Perez might be the last hitter that the starters see. They pinch hit very liberally in platoon fashion in the bottom half of the lineup, so if you brought in someone like Akin behind the starter, they might very well hit for him. Forcing them to do that erases a lot of the platoon stacking in the late innings, so you could subsequently bring in a RHP to pitch to Perez without the same concern that they’d be exposed after him.    In sum, I think the ideal attack plan is for Burnes/Eflin/Kremer to see Perez three times, then bring in Akin or Cionel to pitch to the bottom of what will likely be a lefty-heavy lineup. They’ll potentially PH there, but that’s okay because none of those guys are that good. You then go to one of the RHPs for the top of the lineup, which it seems will consist of Pham, Witt (pitch around), and Perez. Then back to Coulombe or Soto for the bottom of the lineup again.
    • I have two tickets to Game 1 of the WC which I cannot use due to work travel.  Section 352, row 4, seats 9 & 10.  Asking $70 total for the two.  Paid $205 to the Orioles as a season plan member.   PM me if interested.  Paypal preferred.    
    • Can't make game 1. I'll be at game 2...last time I was at a playoff game at Camden, we beat Scherzer and the Tigers.
    • He should be taking fly balls all winter.
  • Popular Contributors

×
×
  • Create New...