How does Elias maintain a Top 10 farm system without high draft choices

[Can_of_corn]

7 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Too late.  He will promote Mountcastle, Harvey, Akin and Kremer  off the list by early next year.

Right, next year.  What about AR, Diaz and co?

Some of us are waiting to see if Mountcastle gets the Hays treatment.

[DrungoHazewood]

26 minutes ago, wildcard said:

The O's player development was poor during the 2000's.  

O's drafting, player development, and international presence was poor from roughly 1980-2019.

[DrungoHazewood]

36 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

It really is that simple.

I would also add knowing when to trade players.  The organization failed to recognize that trading Manny and Britton after 2016 was the right thing to do and that sent them back.  You have to understand the situation you are in and be smart about it

Do the Dodgers really do that?  Or do high revenue teams just not care as much about offloading guys a year or two out from free agency?

[Aglets]

The inverse of the way that they always had a terrible farm system despite drafting at the top of the board year after year.

[HowAboutThat]

1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:

How do the Dodgers do it?

You certainly don’t need high draft picks to have a good farm system.

Or the Cardinals. They never have single digit picks and always do well.

[Sports Guy]

26 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Do the Dodgers really do that?  Or do high revenue teams just not care as much about offloading guys a year or two out from free agency?

I’m not saying the Dodgers do or do not do that.

Im just adding to what Moose said.

[Aristotelian]

1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:

How do the Dodgers do it?

You certainly don’t need high draft picks to have a good farm system.

Or Tampa. I think Mike has explicitly said Tampa would be the model. He said "high turnover" meaning trading guys as soon as they start to become expensive. I think these are the comments I was thinking of. 

https://sports.yahoo.com/even-orioles-keep-winning-mike-093300329.html

 Elias noted how the “modern business of the game now” is “very transactional,” and cited the visiting Tampa Bay Rays as a team that is constantly making moves to maximize its present and future concurrently.

“You’ve got to pick your times and cycle guys in and cycle guys out and keep the talent flow going,” Elias said. “We’re still at a point in our cycle where we’re going to prioritize stuffing the talent pipeline as much as possible in the minor leagues and getting that base, and then the goal is to persist in that way once we have that talent base filled in. But by no means does this mean that we don’t hope this team continues to win. It’s an anything-goes kind of year, and we’re going to go out and win every game every night.”

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Aristotelian said:

Or Tampa. I think Mike has explicitly said Tampa would be the model. He said "high turnover" meaning trading guys as soon as they start to become expensive. I think these are the comments I was thinking of. 

https://sports.yahoo.com/even-orioles-keep-winning-mike-093300329.html

 Elias noted how the “modern business of the game now” is “very transactional,” and cited the visiting Tampa Bay Rays as a team that is constantly making moves to maximize its present and future concurrently.

“You’ve got to pick your times and cycle guys in and cycle guys out and keep the talent flow going,” Elias said. “We’re still at a point in our cycle where we’re going to prioritize stuffing the talent pipeline as much as possible in the minor leagues and getting that base, and then the goal is to persist in that way once we have that talent base filled in. But by no means does this mean that we don’t hope this team continues to win. It’s an anything-goes kind of year, and we’re going to go out and win every game every night.”

Right, you compare yourself to Tampa because you know your payroll limitations are going to be similar.

[Aristotelian]

3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Right, you compare yourself to Tampa because you know your payroll limitations are going to be similar.

I'm sure ownership heard those comments and approved vigorously. 

[webbrick2010]

1 hour ago, Lucky_13 said:

Don't be afraid to trade guys you can likely replace even when you're winning like the Rays do. 

Something Duquette never did when he could have sold high on Jim Johnson, Bud Norris, even Zach Britton

Chris Davis, JJ Harding

[DrungoHazewood]

14 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

Or Tampa. I think Mike has explicitly said Tampa would be the model. He said "high turnover" meaning trading guys as soon as they start to become expensive. I think these are the comments I was thinking of. 

https://sports.yahoo.com/even-orioles-keep-winning-mike-093300329.html

 Elias noted how the “modern business of the game now” is “very transactional,” and cited the visiting Tampa Bay Rays as a team that is constantly making moves to maximize its present and future concurrently.

“You’ve got to pick your times and cycle guys in and cycle guys out and keep the talent flow going,” Elias said. “We’re still at a point in our cycle where we’re going to prioritize stuffing the talent pipeline as much as possible in the minor leagues and getting that base, and then the goal is to persist in that way once we have that talent base filled in. But by no means does this mean that we don’t hope this team continues to win. It’s an anything-goes kind of year, and we’re going to go out and win every game every night.”

We just have to come to terms with the idea that anyone who won't agree to a fairly team-friendly extension in their first few years is going to be traded around season five.  That's fine if we a) are winning and b) we know about it ahead of time.

[DrungoHazewood]

50 minutes ago, Aglets said:

The inverse of the way that they always had a terrible farm system despite drafting at the top of the board year after year.

One of the Orioles' problems was that they were never at the top of the board.  Their only source of young talent was #6 draft picks.  Kevin Millar not only ate up money that could have gone to overhauling the scouting and analytics, he also provided those key 72nd, 73rd wins that kept them from a #1 or #2 pick.

[Sports Guy]

9 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

We just have to come to terms with the idea that anyone who won't agree to a fairly team-friendly extension in their first few years is going to be traded around season five.  That's fine if we a) are winning and b) we know about it ahead of time.

And for the most part, we should agree on that.  
 

I would try to make sure everyone of importance gets signed until they are in the 29-32 year old area...and let them walk after.  (This is a general rule)

[DrungoHazewood]

Just now, Sports Guy said:

And for the most part, we should agree on that.  
 

I would try to make sure everyone of importance gets signed until they are in the 29-32 year old area...and let them walk after.  (This is a general rule)

Yea, something like that. 

All of this is contingent on what the next CBA looks like.  I'm skeptical they'll do anything too radical, but it might be much more friendly for non-superstar older players, as well as younger players.  We've reached the point where everyone agrees that signing 30-year-olds to 8/200 deals is ludicrous, except for the 33-year-olds in the middle of those deals hitting .232 with 11 homers.

[HowAboutThat]

1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:

And for the most part, we should agree on that.  
 

I would try to make sure everyone of importance gets signed until they are in the 29-32 year old area...and let them walk after.  (This is a general rule)

Agree totally, but there are exceptions. I wouldn’t give Manny 300M even though he’s still young and doing well