SS target: Wily Adames

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27 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

It means that they will move him off of the position where his value is the highest.

They certainly could move him to a new position but unless his bat improves, his value drops a lot if he goes elsewhere.

Look at who is in the outfield and what stats they are putting up.   Adames stats are better than most of them. 

Meadows had one good year but fell apart last season.   And he is not a good defensive outfielder.

Keirmaier is on the trade market and does hit well.

Renfroe was non tendered and signed by Boston

Adames hits better than Phillips and Margot.

Adames had an 813 OPS last year and was on a pace to equal or better in 20 homers from 2019.

Arozarena is the only outfielder that is really better than Adames.

 

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1 minute ago, wildcard said:

Look at who is in the outfield and what stats they are putting up.   Adames stats are better than most of them. 

Meadows had one good year but fell apart last season.   And he is not a good defensive outfielder.

Keirmaier is on the trade market and does hit well.

Renfroe was non tendered and signed by Boston

Adames hits better than Phillips and Margot.

Adames had an 813 OPS last year and was on a pace to equal or better in 20 homers from 2019.

Arozarena is the only outfielder that is really better than Adames.

 

But when they go to trade Adames, his value as an OFer is far less than as a SS unless he sees a big increase in his offense.

The Rays don’t normally like to throw away value.  They are too smart for that.

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5 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

But when they go to trade Adames, his value as an OFer is far less than as a SS unless he sees a big increase in his offense.

The Rays don’t normally like to throw away value.  They are too smart for that.

You are so focused on trade you can't see the obvious.   The Rays are trying to win now.   Adames hits  better  than all but one of their outfielders.   They have no reason to trade him.  He is cheap in 2021 and they need him in their lineup.

Just because you think he would be good for the O's does not mean the Rays want to trade him.

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Just now, wildcard said:

You are so focused on trade you can't see the obvious.   The Rays are trying to win now.   Adames hits  better  than all but one of their outfielders.   They have no reason to trade him.  He is cheap in 2021 and they need him in their lineup.

Just because you think he would be good for the O's does not mean the Rays want to trade him.

Which is why they traded their best pitcher?

The Rays don't play the win now game.  They are concerned with winning now and winning in the future.

 

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15 minutes ago, wildcard said:

You are so focused on trade you can't see the obvious.   The Rays are trying to win now.   Adames hits  better  than all but one of their outfielders.   They have no reason to trade him.  He is cheap in 2021 and they need him in their lineup.

Just because you think he would be good for the O's does not mean the Rays want to trade him.

The Rays just traded their best pitcher and one of their best relievers.  

And I agree that the Rays may not trade him.  I would like you to point out where I said he was definitely available?

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5 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Which is why they traded their best pitcher?

The Rays don't play the win now game.  They are concerned with winning now and winning in the future.

 

Glasnow, Yarbrough, Fleming, Wacha.  And they are not finished.

Snell was a planned trade.  They signed him to a long term contract and when his salary reached 10m they traded him.  They never planned to keep him for the whole contract.

 

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3 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Glasnow, Yarbrough, Fleming, Wacha.  And they are not finished.

Snell was a planned trade.  They signed him to a long term contract and when his salary reached 10m they traded him.  They never planned to keep him for the whole contract.

 

So?

They are not in a "win now" mode like the Padres are.  They never are.  They will never be the team that gives up Torres for a Chapman rental.

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13 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

The Rays just traded their best pitcher and one of their best relievers.  

And I agree that the Rays may not trade him.  I would like you to point out where I said he was definitely available?

So when you said  "I think it’s more likely they use him as a trade chip."  You didn't really mean it.  You were just being misleading.  
 

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1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

So?

They are not in a "win now" mode like the Padres are.  They never are.  They will never be the team that gives up Torres for a Chapman rental.

They just went to World Series.   They will probably have the best pitching in the division in 2021.

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6 minutes ago, wildcard said:

They just went to World Series.   They will probably have the best pitching in the division in 2021.

So?

They aren't in "win now" mode.

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10 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

So?

They aren't in "win now" mode.

general manager Erik Neander admitted Tuesday (via Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times) that the Rays “are not as good a team without him.” Despite that, Neander insisted to Topkin and other reporters that the Rays, who won the American League in 2020, still plan to compete for a championship.

“Our goal is to win a World Series,” Neander said. “Want to make that that very, very clear. … It’s our philosophy, it’s our belief that the best way for us to achieve that goal is to construct playoff-caliber teams year in, year out. For every team that we put out there to have a shot. To avoid the valleys. To not take any years off.”

“We have a lot of confidence in the group that we have here and we’ve got a lot of time left to continue to build this club out and to get this puzzle where we want it.”

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/12/rays-gm-erik-neander-discusses-blake-snell-trade.html

They are not done adding.

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6 minutes ago, wildcard said:

general manager Erik Neander admitted Tuesday (via Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times) that the Rays “are not as good a team without him.” Despite that, Neander insisted to Topkin and other reporters that the Rays, who won the American League in 2020, still plan to compete for a championship.

“Our goal is to win a World Series,” Neander said. “Want to make that that very, very clear. … It’s our philosophy, it’s our belief that the best way for us to achieve that goal is to construct playoff-caliber teams year in, year out. For every team that we put out there to have a shot. To avoid the valleys. To not take any years off.”

“We have a lot of confidence in the group that we have here and we’ve got a lot of time left to continue to build this club out and to get this puzzle where we want it.”

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/12/rays-gm-erik-neander-discusses-blake-snell-trade.html

They are not done adding.

So?  They are still not in "win now" mode.

 

I think you are confusing trying to win and being in "win now" mode.

I don't think the Rays are going to do anything to hurt their chances at long term contention to add a piece to help this season.  I don't think they would refuse a solid offer for a piece to help this season (see Snell).

A team in "win now" mode trades Torres for Chapman or trades for Andrew Miller.  They trade for Snell and Darvish.

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7 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

So?  They are still not in "win now" mode.

 

I think you are confusing trying to win and being in "win now" mode.

I don't think the Rays are going to do anything to hurt their chances at long term contention to add a piece to help this season.  I don't think they would refuse a solid offer for a piece to help this season (see Snell).

A team in "win now" mode trades Torres for Chapman or trades for Andrew Miller.  They trade for Snell and Darvish.

The Rays are not rebuilding.  They are not saying they will take 2021 off from contention.  They just built up one of the best farm systems even more by making the Snell trade.  And they are saying they still have time to put the pieces together to win in 2021.  They have even more good prospects to trade for whatever they need.

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2 minutes ago, wildcard said:

The Rays are not rebuilding.  They are not saying they will take 2021 off from contention.  They just built up one of the best farm systems even more by making the Snell trade.  And they are saying they still have time to put the pieces together to win in 2021.  They have even more good prospects to trade for whatever they need.

Did you even read the post you replied to?

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56 minutes ago, wildcard said:

So when you said  "I think it’s more likely they use him as a trade chip."  You didn't really mean it.  You were just being misleading.  
 

They will use him as a trade chip, assuming Franco stays healthy.

But they may not do it until the deadline or next offseason.

Only way he is in the 2022 roster is if his bat improves and he shows he can be an asset at third or the OF.  It’s possible...but I don’t think it’s overly likely either.