Jump to content

Ask me about a prospect. (Early July)


Tony-OH

Recommended Posts

2 minutes ago, UMDTerrapins said:

Hope he can put himself back on the map. The thing that's always been on my mind with him is that the Dodgers were willing to part with him in a package with three other pretty decent prospects for just a half season rental of Machado. They originally spent $15.5 million to sign him. Hard to imagine the Dodgers were really enamored with him if they were willing to walk away from such a large investment for so little in return. Not to mention Kremer, Pop, Bannon, Valera as well. 

Teams that have plenty of resources and are trying to win a championship are sometimes willing to pay a high price.

They weren't exactly picking up Gerrardo Parra for the stretch run.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

59 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Teams that have plenty of resources and are trying to win a championship are sometimes willing to pay a high price.

They weren't exactly picking up Gerrardo Parra for the stretch run.

GM - “I’ve got a tentative deal to pick up Manny Machado for our playoff push. We’ll have to give up Yusniel Diaz, Dean Kremer, Zach Pop, Rylan Bannon, and Bryce Valera to get him. Do I have your approval?” 

Owner - “Diaz…..isn’t that the guy you said was such a good prospect that I paid $15.5 million just to sign him? And now we’re giving him to Baltimore for a three month rental, along with these other prospects we really like?”

GM (version A) - “Yeah, that’s the guy. Our guys have had a good look at him and we’re not seeing him develop like we had hoped. He could still put it together, but we think he’s more valuable in what he can bring us today in trade than what he will produce for us down the road. If we don’t include him, we’ll have to part with someone we value more highly.”

GM (version B) - “Yeah, that’s the guy. And I still think he’s going to a huge star….for Baltimore. But…you know, forget about that $15.5 million…you have plenty of resources”

 

I’m not heavily trying to prove a point here, just having fun. That said, I don’t care how much money I have to work with, I don’t want to be that GM telling ownership I want to deal a prospect I convinced them was worth $15.5 million to sign. That’s a bad look for me. But even worse is for me to hold onto him and he never amounts to anything in the big leagues. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, UMDTerrapins said:

GM - “I’ve got a tentative deal to pick up Manny Machado for our playoff push. We’ll have to give up Yusniel Diaz, Dean Kremer, Zach Pop, Rylan Bannon, and Bryce Valera to get him. Do I have your approval?” 

Owner - “Diaz…..isn’t that the guy you said was such a good prospect that I paid $15.5 million just to sign him? And now we’re giving him to Baltimore for a three month rental, along with these other prospects we really like?”

GM (version A) - “Yeah, that’s the guy. Our guys have had a good look at him and we’re not seeing him develop like we had hoped. He could still put it together, but we think he’s more valuable in what he can bring us today in trade than what he will produce for us down the road. If we don’t include him, we’ll have to part with someone we value more highly.”

GM (version B) - “Yeah, that’s the guy. And I still think he’s going to a huge star….for Baltimore. But…you know, forget about that $15.5 million…you have plenty of resources”

 

I’m not heavily trying to prove a point here, just having fun. That said, I don’t care how much money I have to work with, I don’t want to be that GM telling ownership I want to deal a prospect I convinced them was worth $15.5 million to sign. That’s a bad look for me. But even worse is for me to hold onto him and he never amounts to anything in the big leagues. 

$31M.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Sigh.  A horrendous start by Lowther tonight  is depressing.  Following last night where Knight blew up what was previously a nice season line.  Adley struggling in July. Henderson brutal since promotion.  Diaz hitting under .200 and on the pine.  DL on the DL.  

Not scientific but feeling like we are having more regression than progression in the milb.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, UMDTerrapins said:

GM - “I’ve got a tentative deal to pick up Manny Machado for our playoff push. We’ll have to give up Yusniel Diaz, Dean Kremer, Zach Pop, Rylan Bannon, and Bryce Valera to get him. Do I have your approval?” 

Owner - “Diaz…..isn’t that the guy you said was such a good prospect that I paid $15.5 million just to sign him? And now we’re giving him to Baltimore for a three month rental, along with these other prospects we really like?”

GM (version A) - “Yeah, that’s the guy. Our guys have had a good look at him and we’re not seeing him develop like we had hoped. He could still put it together, but we think he’s more valuable in what he can bring us today in trade than what he will produce for us down the road. If we don’t include him, we’ll have to part with someone we value more highly.”

GM (version B) - “Yeah, that’s the guy. And I still think he’s going to a huge star….for Baltimore. But…you know, forget about that $15.5 million…you have plenty of resources”

 

I’m not heavily trying to prove a point here, just having fun. That said, I don’t care how much money I have to work with, I don’t want to be that GM telling ownership I want to deal a prospect I convinced them was worth $15.5 million to sign. That’s a bad look for me. But even worse is for me to hold onto him and he never amounts to anything in the big leagues. 

This is the actual definition of a sunk cost.

Also, $15.5M to sign the centerpiece of a Manny Machado trade in a title run is actually an effective use of resources.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

10 minutes ago, BohKnowsBmore said:

This is the actual definition of a sunk cost.

Also, $15.5M to sign the centerpiece of a Manny Machado trade in a title run is actually an effective use of resources.

Plus the $6.5 million in salary the Dodgers paid Machado. Plus Dean Kremer, Zach Pop, Rylan Bannon, and Bryce Valera. But that's not really the point. I think the Dodgers knew he wasn't going to be the player he was still touted to be. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, UMDTerrapins said:

GM - “I’ve got a tentative deal to pick up Manny Machado for our playoff push. We’ll have to give up Yusniel Diaz, Dean Kremer, Zach Pop, Rylan Bannon, and Bryce Valera to get him. Do I have your approval?” 

Owner - “Diaz…..isn’t that the guy you said was such a good prospect that I paid $15.5 million just to sign him? And now we’re giving him to Baltimore for a three month rental, along with these other prospects we really like?”

GM (version A) - “Yeah, that’s the guy. Our guys have had a good look at him and we’re not seeing him develop like we had hoped. He could still put it together, but we think he’s more valuable in what he can bring us today in trade than what he will produce for us down the road. If we don’t include him, we’ll have to part with someone we value more highly.”

GM (version B) - “Yeah, that’s the guy. And I still think he’s going to a huge star….for Baltimore. But…you know, forget about that $15.5 million…you have plenty of resources”

 

I’m not heavily trying to prove a point here, just having fun. That said, I don’t care how much money I have to work with, I don’t want to be that GM telling ownership I want to deal a prospect I convinced them was worth $15.5 million to sign. That’s a bad look for me. But even worse is for me to hold onto him and he never amounts to anything in the big leagues. 

$15.5 mill or $31 mill is not the same to the Dodgers and the O's.  If it was allowed, they would have just sent millions to Baltimore to buy Manny.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

13 hours ago, UMDTerrapins said:

Hope he can put himself back on the map. The thing that's always been on my mind with him is that the Dodgers were willing to part with him in a package with three other pretty decent prospects for just a half season rental of Machado. They originally spent $15.5 million to sign him. Hard to imagine the Dodgers were really enamored with him if they were willing to walk away from such a large investment for so little in return. Not to mention Kremer, Pop, Bannon, Valera as well. 

And if I recall right, after the penalties for going over the amount of money, they paid something like $30 million for him overall. All I know was the first reports I got about him from player development people at the time were not exactly glowing. Saying all that, he does have the ability to barrel up a ball and has raw power and is good enough in the other areas that he still could provide some value. I wonder if his current slump is from being rusty or just not 100%?

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 hours ago, Sydnor said:

Tony - I know you said you wouldn’t know much on the complex league, but do you have any early thoughts on Mishael Deson? He looks like he has a lot of tools to work with in the limited video I’ve seen.

Probably the most I know about him comes from this video

https://www.mlb.com/video/anthony-sanders-on-mishael-deson

Sounds like a good kid and some game action:

https://www.mlb.com/video/deson-on-being-part-of-the-o-s?t=mlb-pipeline

Koby Perez on him having the highest upside of the guys (Vavra and Nevin) received in the Givens trade.

Overall I see a young lanky kid (6-3.. 155) with a lot of room to add muscle to his physique as he matures. It sounds like he definitely has some tools to work from so when you add in the projectable body and the fact he's one of the youngest guys the Orioles brought over to the FCL and you can see how high they are on him.

He's off to a good start in the FCL so he's definitely one of the guys people should keep an eye on down there.

 

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 hours ago, Sydnor said:

Tony - I know you said you wouldn’t know much on the complex league, but do you have any early thoughts on Mishael Deson? He looks like he has a lot of tools to work with in the limited video I’ve seen.

This doesn't answer your question but it's an interesting article on Deson.

https://www.mlb.com/news/mishael-deson-impressing-as-orioles-prospect

  • Upvote 1
  • Thanks 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • Posts

    • They are wasting way because they are major league ready players who are not on a major league team. They are wasting away because we can’t use them. We don’t have a place for them, but instead of trading them, we are letting them languish. It is silly not to find a trade partner for them. If the value is low, well, the value is low, and you get what you can. I was talking about neither Holliday nor Mayo, and I’m sorry I wasn’t clear enough. but you mentioned Stowers and Norby and you mentioned it exactly the problem that exists they’re not here because we don’t have room for them. I am one of the very few voices who wants mayo to remain where he is unless he develops worthwhile defense, although I would be happy to trade him.
    • Extended forecasts in Maryland are a fool's errand.  💦💨💭🌞 Show up, and pray!
    • I prefer he has to borrow a glove if he is forced into playing defense at all.
    • I think we’ve talked about this, but I would love to replace James McCann with Jonah Heim. Jonah Hime is a gold glove winner and even though he’s having a really bad offensive year compared to last year, he’s worlds better than McCann and would make it much easier to rest Adley more often. He has already been mentioned as a non-tender candidate because he’s apparently expecting a significant raise despite his mediocre season. Lowe might be as well, but it’s probably doubtful that they would move him now. The Rangers, as current champs, are going to take a huge PR hit if they trade anybody but their departing free agents. Half of their top 20 prospects are pitchers, but most have only 40-45 future values. All of their outfielders are scuffling right now, but they are all really good so I doubt they would make any outfield trades, and just hope for some improvement from their guys. I would love to get Robertson and Yates, and I wouldn’t mind Scherzer either. But we don’t have anybody they really need.
    • I have a ton of faith in the FO, but the way the poll was worded, had to cast my vote a little lower.   We won't know for years - if ever - which offers were made but rejected. Grayson has given everything I was hoping for from Bradish.  Burnes has exceeded the hype.  So, we need to replace the #3/#4 pitcher we expected Grayson to be.  Suarez is still a great surprise.  Kremer, in my mind, is trending upward.  A solid #3 would be thrilling. On the reliever front, one solid (non-elite) leverage-type reliever can push Tate/Baker/Akin back to Tidewater and make the whole BP look better.  And Coloumbe returns for the push. I guess I'm saying we don't need an ace and a closer, but a #3 and a 7th inning specialist.  Should be doable.
    • Faith.  I hope he trades all of the prospects that are clearly blocked, and get some players we can use. 
    • Hays has certainly hit a lot better lately but he is just feasting on LHP’s. His wRC+ against RHP’s is 73, so he should not be taking any AB’s away against RHP’s from Cowser (or Mullins/Kjerstad/Santander assuming they are all healthy).  So much has been made about Cowser’s offense (for good reason) that it seems like the fact that he’s been the best defensive player on the team on a per game basis gets lost. With his defense and base running value, he doesn’t even have to be a great hitter to be valuable, like Kjerstad. His floor is closer to Mullins, yet it seems like he’s judged very differently. Put another way, if Mullins had Cowser’s overall offensive line right now, with his exit velo’s and quality of contact, nobody would be calling for him to lose playing time. It just seems odd that a rookie that has been so good defensively and has so many good offensive qualities (average exit velocity, chase rate, barrel %) is getting so much heat right now. He definitely does need to be better with RISP and in high leverage situations, and shouldn’t get an unlimited leash, but he’s not going to get better unless he keeps getting chances to work things out. And if he does work things out (as we saw in April) or even can replicate his season line to date the rest of the way, he’s likely the most valuable OF’er on the team. 
  • Popular Contributors

×
×
  • Create New...