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Can I ask what you consider a "competitive team" to be in 2022. And what do you think it takes for a 110 loss team to become a competitive team in one season? How do they even do that? Who do you thin

Moose Milligan
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Matz to the Cardinals, 4 years/44 million. That's Ubaldo money. That's Cobb money.  That's a contract this team easily could have afforded.  Even if they had to pay a little extra because we suck

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I guess I really don't understand this reaction, or the desire to start accumulating the same kind of contracts that got us into this mess. Your post says it all really.. although maybe you didn'

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22 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Don't they know they lost 91 games last year?  They have to do a full teardown so they can be good by 2028, it's the only way!

I know you’re just instigating here, but 91 losses isn’t 115.   Not close.   That’s what Elias walked into.   And he didn’t really do a teardown; that had been done at the trade deadline before he arrived.   You could say he finished off the teardown, but all the really choice assets had been dealt already.   

It will be interesting to see where the Cubs go from here.   
 

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3 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I know you’re just instigating here, but 91 losses isn’t 115.   Not close.   That’s what Elias walked into.   And he didn’t really do a teardown; that had been done at the trade deadline before he arrived.   You could say he finished off the teardown, but all the really choice assets had been dealt already.   

It will be interesting to see where the Cubs go from here.   
 

I'm not instigating is the proper term, not as if I expected an actual debate. 

More like resignation that this has gone on this long and doesn't appear to be changing in the near future.

There is ample evidence that what is being done isn't the only way.  It's the way ownership chose and I feel like a huge reason why is the money it saves.

 

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17 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I know you’re just instigating here, but 91 losses isn’t 115.   Not close.   That’s what Elias walked into.   And he didn’t really do a teardown; that had been done at the trade deadline before he arrived.   You could say he finished off the teardown, but all the really choice assets had been dealt already.   

It will be interesting to see where the Cubs go from here.   
 

Gotta love the excuses.

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44 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I know you’re just instigating here, but 91 losses isn’t 115.   Not close.   That’s what Elias walked into.   And he didn’t really do a teardown; that had been done at the trade deadline before he arrived.   You could say he finished off the teardown, but all the really choice assets had been dealt already.   

It will be interesting to see where the Cubs go from here.   
 

They pretty much have to get a SS, and while I don't see them giving Correa 350M, there has been interest in Trevor Story. Add him, Conforto and Kikuchi and the Cubs are decent for '22, with a lot of money open for '23.

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21 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

3/71..opt out after 2 years.

great Easily would have have beaten that although he would have had to have given me 3 years before the opt out.

Great contract for the Cubs.  But I agree, if he opts out two years from now, then what's the point?  We'd want good Stroman when we are competitive consistently. 

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Great contract for the Cubs.  But I agree, if he opts out two years from now, then what's the point?  We'd want good Stroman when we are competitive consistently. 

But you make him turn it down.  If he says no, so be it.  But you make him turn down the extra 30M. 

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