Joc Pederson and the Number of the Beast

[Moose Milligan]

3 minutes ago, geschinger said:

This.  There are quite a few teams with a payroll $50-100m less that fanbases of losing teams should want their teams to be more like than the Yankees or Mets even if someone like Bezos bought them and gave them an unlimited payroll.  

The object of the game isn't to spend a lot of money, no one said it should be.  

But if it doesn't irk you that the Orioles are spending less than what Max Scherzer makes in a season, I don't know what to tell you.  I don't think anyone here is arguing that the Orioles should spend money unwisely but it's frustrating to see a team that had a 120-160 million payroll a few years ago acting like they're in the poorhouse. 

Don't tell me this team can't spend money, especially on the rotation.  The E-Rod deal was something that we could have done easily and would have made this team better this year.  

[Frobby]

15 minutes ago, wildcard said:

The Orioles are still building but several of their  top prospects will be in the majors in the next year or so.  Let's talk when Grayson, DL, Means, T Wells and Bradish are in the rotation.

I’m pretty much done with assuming that every Orioles prospect, or even most of them, will pan out.   The nature of the beast is that most do not.   The recent Fangraphs article about this was excellent.   

If we are going to talk only when Grayson, DL, Means, T. Wells and Bradish are in the rotation, we may never actually have a conversation.   
 

[Sports Guy]

2 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

The object of the game isn't to spend a lot of money, no one said it should be.  

But if it doesn't irk you that the Orioles are spending less than what Max Scherzer makes in a season, I don't know what to tell you.  I don't think anyone here is arguing that the Orioles should spend money unwisely but it's frustrating to see a team that had a 120-160 million payroll a few years ago acting like they're in the poorhouse. 

Don't tell me this team can't spend money, especially on the rotation.  The E-Rod deal was something that we could have done easily and would have made this team better this year.  

But they aren’t ready!  We see a long ways off from contending even though the same fans that say that say the plan is going great and we have elite talent coming up soon.

Somehow we don’t have a foundation yet people think Mullins will be close to what he was last year, Mountcastle will hit 35 bombs, Hays is good, Means is a solid starter, Mancini will bounce back and Adley and GRod will battle it out for ROY.

Its so hilarious the disconnect between the thought processes.  

[JimGinSP]

If MLB chose to they could probably slap Joc for including the picture of the trademarked MLB logo in that tweet.   Maybe he should have used the unions’ logo.

[Moose Milligan]

1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:

But they aren’t ready!  We see a long ways off from contending even though the same fans that say that say the plan is going great and we have elite talent coming up soon.

Its so hilarious the disconnect between the thought processes.  

I want the elite talent playing with capable (again, not necessarily superstars) talent when they arrive.  

I don't want Adley Rutschman having to catch starters that are AAAA types.  Our rotation this year looks to be Means and 4 other bodies.  Lyles is a body.  IMO, Lowther and Akin are bodies.  G-Rod will be up eventually but even then, there are 3 holes in the rotation.  

Had we signed E-Rod, we'd have Means, E-Rod and G-Rod.  That's a pretty good trio...that could be a great trio if G-Rod pitches like he's capable of and I haven't even mentioned Hall yet.   

 

[JimGinSP]

50 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I’d like to see the Rales family buy the team.   

 

1 minute ago, JimGinSP said:

Now if Washington didn’t have the Nats the Rales family would be fun.  Baltimore could relive the anxiety filled Edward Bennett Williams years.

 

[Moose Milligan]

I'm reading this article on the Athletic about how Correa landed with the Twins.  Basically Boras called them and pitched them.  The Twins had freed up some payroll when they traded Donaldson to the Yankees but had a hole at shortstop.  

Boras just simply sends a text message to the Twins GM "we need to talk," he goes and stands with Kris Bryant that afternoon to introduce him to the Rockies.  The Twins know that Boras is going to pitch them on one of his three remaining big ticket items:  Correa, Castellanos and Conforto.  

Boras calls and just straight up pitches them. "I have a player who likes to hit in your ballpark, would fit on your roster, has leadership values and would take less years on a contract if the money is right."  And the Twins are hooked.  

So then Boras reveals that it's Correa, they all hang up, the Twins FO practically ****s their collective pants and starts to scramble before Houston could pounce on that offer or the Yankees could get involved.  

Basically, the Twins scrambled all afternoon and into the evening to get to work on it.  Members of the front office blew off a dinner with corporate sponsors and then they started negotiating.  They got Rocco Baldelli on a zoom call with Correa and others to tell him about the atmosphere, the environment, everything.  

And after that, it all fell into place.

It's great journalism and it's a great story.  It's a really good read and if you have the Athletic I would recommend reading it.  

But the thing that sticks out to me is that...well, we're a team with a hole at shortstop.  We're a team with a park that Correa likes to hit in (granted it's against our terrible pitching and it's not as good as he performed in Target Field, but still).  We're a team that could use a leader.

And Boras never called us.  Well, maybe he did but it's not being reported anywhere. 

I'm assuming that Boras never called us to pitch Correa to us because he knows that we're not going to spend 35.1 million a year on a talent like that.  You can like him or hate him, but Boras has his ear to the ground at all times and he has to know that we're not going to spend. 

I mean, why not call the Orioles?  Why not pitch Correa to us?  Why not, at the very least, use the Orioles as leverage to get his player more money elsewhere?

It's because he knows the Orioles aren't serious.  And that if a team like the Twins heard that the Orioles were also in on Correa, they'd probably just laugh it off.  

I'm not saying the Twins are the prom queen or anything but I know the Orioles are the fat kid at the prom for sure.  Hell, they're not even at the prom, they're at home watching porn and out of Lubriderm.  

 

[wildcard]

8 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

But they aren’t ready!  We see a long ways off from contending even though the same fans that say that say the plan is going great and we have elite talent coming up soon.

Somehow we don’t have a foundation yet people think Mullins will be close to what he was last year, Mountcastle will hit 35 bombs, Hays is good, Means is a solid starter, Mancini will bounce back and Adley and GRod will battle it out for ROY.

Its so hilarious the disconnect between the thought processes.  

 You are a fan sitting on the couch complaining.

Elias graduated from Yale and spent the next 11 years sharping his  scouting, talent evaluation  and management skills while working for two pretty successful MLB organizations.  

Then he takes the EVP and GM job for the Orioles and builds one the best minor league organization in the areas of drafting, player development, analytics and international scouting and development.

He is stacking the organization with talent in the outfield, infield  and catching .   He has developed two starters in  the top 100 prospects in the minors  and has traded for a starter that is one of the O's top prospects.   A lot of this talent will be in the the majors in the next year or so.

He also has a low payroll and plenty of room to spend to fill gaps if needed.

Elias has actually done a lot in his baseball career.   You just sit there as a fan and complain.     I am watching what he does and what you say.  And I have to side with Elias on the merits.

[Hazmat]

10 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

I'm reading this article on the Athletic about how Correa landed with the Twins.  Basically Boras called them and pitched them.  The Twins had freed up some payroll when they traded Donaldson to the Yankees but had a hole at shortstop.  

Boras just simply sends a text message to the Twins GM "we need to talk," he goes and stands with Kris Bryant that afternoon to introduce him to the Rockies.  The Twins know that Boras is going to pitch them on one of his three remaining big ticket items:  Correa, Castellanos and Conforto.  

Boras calls and just straight up pitches them. "I have a player who likes to hit in your ballpark, would fit on your roster, has leadership values and would take less years on a contract if the money is right."  And the Twins are hooked.  

So then Boras reveals that it's Correa, they all hang up, the Twins FO practically ****s their collective pants and starts to scramble before Houston could pounce on that offer or the Yankees could get involved.  

Basically, the Twins scrambled all afternoon and into the evening to get to work on it.  Members of the front office blew off a dinner with corporate sponsors and then they started negotiating.  They got Rocco Baldelli on a zoom call with Correa and others to tell him about the atmosphere, the environment, everything.  

And after that, it all fell into place.

It's great journalism and it's a great story.  It's a really good read and if you have the Athletic I would recommend reading it.  

But the thing that sticks out to me is that...well, we're a team with a hole at shortstop.  We're a team with a park that Correa likes to hit in (granted it's against our terrible pitching and it's not as good as he performed in Target Field, but still).  We're a team that could use a leader.

And Boras never called us.  Well, maybe he did but it's not being reported anywhere. 

I'm assuming that Boras never called us to pitch Correa to us because he knows that we're not going to spend 35.1 million a year on a talent like that.  You can like him or hate him, but Boras has his ear to the ground at all times and he has to know that we're not going to spend. 

I mean, why not call the Orioles?  Why not pitch Correa to us?  Why not, at the very least, use the Orioles as leverage to get his player more money elsewhere?

It's because he knows the Orioles aren't serious.  And that if a team like the Twins heard that the Orioles were also in on Correa, they'd probably just laugh it off.  

I'm not saying the Twins are the prom queen or anything but I know the Orioles are the fat kid at the prom for sure.  Hell, they're not even at the prom, they're at home watching porn and out of Lubriderm.  

 

I don't disagree but it's also possible that Correa had no interest in playing for the O's.

[Ruzious]

38 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I’m pretty much done with assuming that every Orioles prospect, or even most of them, will pan out.   The nature of the beast is that most do not.   The recent Fangraphs article about this was excellent.   

If we are going to talk only when Grayson, DL, Means, T. Wells and Bradish are in the rotation, we may never actually have a conversation.   
 

And even if the majority do pan out, they're not likely going to be very good as rookies.  It takes 2 or 3 MLB seasons for most players to become good, and that should be factored in when we project when/if the O's will start winning.     

[Ruzious]

14 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

I'm reading this article on the Athletic about how Correa landed with the Twins.  Basically Boras called them and pitched them.  The Twins had freed up some payroll when they traded Donaldson to the Yankees but had a hole at shortstop.  

Boras just simply sends a text message to the Twins GM "we need to talk," he goes and stands with Kris Bryant that afternoon to introduce him to the Rockies.  The Twins know that Boras is going to pitch them on one of his three remaining big ticket items:  Correa, Castellanos and Conforto.  

Boras calls and just straight up pitches them. "I have a player who likes to hit in your ballpark, would fit on your roster, has leadership values and would take less years on a contract if the money is right."  And the Twins are hooked.  

So then Boras reveals that it's Correa, they all hang up, the Twins FO practically ****s their collective pants and starts to scramble before Houston could pounce on that offer or the Yankees could get involved.  

Basically, the Twins scrambled all afternoon and into the evening to get to work on it.  Members of the front office blew off a dinner with corporate sponsors and then they started negotiating.  They got Rocco Baldelli on a zoom call with Correa and others to tell him about the atmosphere, the environment, everything.  

And after that, it all fell into place.

It's great journalism and it's a great story.  It's a really good read and if you have the Athletic I would recommend reading it.  

But the thing that sticks out to me is that...well, we're a team with a hole at shortstop.  We're a team with a park that Correa likes to hit in (granted it's against our terrible pitching and it's not as good as he performed in Target Field, but still).  We're a team that could use a leader.

And Boras never called us.  Well, maybe he did but it's not being reported anywhere. 

I'm assuming that Boras never called us to pitch Correa to us because he knows that we're not going to spend 35.1 million a year on a talent like that.  You can like him or hate him, but Boras has his ear to the ground at all times and he has to know that we're not going to spend. 

I mean, why not call the Orioles?  Why not pitch Correa to us?  Why not, at the very least, use the Orioles as leverage to get his player more money elsewhere?

It's because he knows the Orioles aren't serious.  And that if a team like the Twins heard that the Orioles were also in on Correa, they'd probably just laugh it off.  

I'm not saying the Twins are the prom queen or anything but I know the Orioles are the fat kid at the prom for sure.  Hell, they're not even at the prom, they're at home watching porn and out of Lubriderm.  

 

HOF post.  

[Moose Milligan]

2 minutes ago, Hazmat said:

I don't disagree but it's also possible that Correa had no interest in playing for the O's.

Of course he didn't because it's a joke of a franchise.  The Twins are at least pretty good.  They were down last year, were in first place in the shortened 2020 season, 1st in 2019, 2nd in 2018, 2nd in 2017.

I mean, they weren't trying to set club records for losses each year.  

The Orioles have basically made themselves into MLB's Siberia.  Can't even be used as leverage to find a better deal elsewhere.

[Can_of_corn]

16 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

I mean, why not call the Orioles?
 

Because he can't talk directly to Peter anymore.

[George Zuverink]

54 minutes ago, joelala said:

The BezO’s has a ring to it…

  But then they’d just want to mail it in.

[Moose Milligan]

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

Because he can't talk directly to Peter anymore.

Is Peter on a feeding tube or something?

I kid, I kid.