The Mark Teixeira Watch part III

[Peace21]

Thanks Peace, after reading what he said, I just skimmed thru 10 pages or so looking for that article. LOL

LOL these threads will swallow you up.

[SilentJames]

two things:

1. If it is 28 mil as mentioned...could that be the amount of $$$ at the end of the contract.

2. The national media's spin if/when we sign Tex will be we overpaid.

Well yeah we overpaid. When you have crappy credit you have to pay more for a loan.

[wickedwitch]

Seriously we're comparing Tex and ARod? Tex is fabulous, but ARod is one of the all-time greats.

[alev]

http://masnsports.com/index_blog_roch.html

roch heard the ravich report as well

[Mackus]

They're firstbasemen. Other than that, I don't see a lot in common. Palmiero, minus the B-12 shots, would be a much better comp, in my opinion.

I feel like I've posted this about 10 times already, but here are Tex's top-10 BB-Ref comps through age 28 and what those players did from age 29 until the end of their careers:

Sim  Player              From  To Yrs   G    AB    R    H   2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB   SO    BA   OBP   SLG   SB   CS OPS+ +---++-------------------+---------+--+----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+----+---+----+     Mark Teixeira       Was not playing, is not playing, or has not yet played at this age.935  Carlos Delgado      2001-2008  8 1180  4288  733 1192 262  10 279  885  661  997  .278  .383  .539    9   2  139925  Kent Hrbek          1989-1994  6  700  2389  338  639 105   2 117  446  368  269  .267  .364  .460   21  10  122913  Fred McGriff        1993-2004 12 1577  5754  838 1651 293  11 302 1035  752 1144  .287  .369  .499   39  21  124911  Jim Thome           2000-2008  9 1244  4267  822 1165 216   8 345  909  904 1308  .273  .401  .570    3   9  150910  Will Clark          1993-2000  8  948  3395  581 1037 218  12 122  569  494  514  .305  .394  .485   17   9  125909  Jeff Bagwell        1997-2005  9 1304  4706  972 1364 282  14 305  940  901  991  .290  .409  .550  124  48  144906* Willie McCovey      1967-1980 14 1646  5218  724 1390 235  18 320 1018  937  957  .266  .378  .502   14   9  147904  Richie Sexson       2004-2008  5  554  1953  281  475 110   1 115  350  261  528  .243  .335  .477    4   2  114901  Shawn Green         2002-2007  6  912  3340  508  937 206  12 136  470  376  577  .281  .358  .472   42  18  117899  Paul Konerko        2005-2008  4  583  2128  325  587 107   1 128  365  284  395  .276  .364  .508    3   1  124     Mark Teixeira       Was not playing, is not playing, or has not yet played at this age.+---++-------------------+---------+--+----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+----+---+----+Average of all 10 Players           8 1064  3743  612 1043 203   8 216  698  593  768  .279  .383  .512   27  12  130Avg of all 5 Retired Players        9 1235  4292  690 1216 226  11 233  801  690  775  .283  .387  .504   43  19  133

The average of those guys is 8 more years at a 130 OPS+, and that doesn't include any future performance from Konerko, Delgado, or Thome.

[Peace21]

Seriously we're comparing Tex and ARod? Tex is fabulous, but ARod is one of the all-time greats.

The reason why we are comparing is because Karl Ravech said that the offer for Tex would approach the offer AROD got. I asked is Tex even in AROD's class.

[MarylandTerp08]

http://masnsports.com/index_blog_roch.html

roch heard the ravich report as well

Yeah, looks like Roch is getting on the national media!

Let the media rule them out. It doesn't appear that Teixeira has done that yet.

[Mirko Crocop]

Is Tex even in ARod's class?

No, but they did sit next to each other in homeroom

[Malike]

They're firstbasemen. Other than that, I don't see a lot in common. Palmiero, minus the B-12 shots, would be a much better comp, in my opinion. I'd love to have that production in our lineup, again. With Roberts, Jones, Markakis, Teixeira, Huff, Wieters, and Scott/Freel at 1-7, you can afford a year of Mora at 8 and Izturis at 9.

The starting pitching, however....

The comps were through age 28. Perhaps you haven't looked at Hrbeks numbers during that time. He was a very good hitter, who couldn't keep up his production into his 30's. Perhaps Tex's comps through age 32 will be different, but Hrbek is not a bad comp through age 28.

[RyanAdams420]

Thanks Peace, after reading what he said, I just skimmed thru 10 pages or so looking for that article. LOL

Anyone have links to the Ravech interview or any national article refrencing any of this stuff from this morning?

[Fan4Life]

I feel like I've posted this about 10 times already, but here are Tex's top-10 BB-Ref comps through age 28 and what those players did from age 29 until the end of their careers:

The average of those guys is 8 more years at a 130 OPS+, and that doesn't include any future performance from Konerko, Delgado, or Thome.

Any idea how that compares to ARod at that age?

[hoosiers]

I think Olney's column was the first indication from the national media that Tex could be leaning to the Os. Olney's musings that the Os should not be going in another direction to becoming a competitive team indirectly hinted that the Angels and BoSox had a strong chance of being outbid.

[Ozone]

That's true... you know the media will spin it against the Orioles. Olney and Rosenthal will come out and say the Orioles shouldn't be focusing on spending a bunch of money on one player, blah blah blah

We'll just wait and see I guess, but there's no way this is an inherently BAD move for the Orioles. At some point, you gotta make a splash. Andy will be right there behind the scenes continuing to rebuild the farm system and making smart, thrifty baseball moves.

Yeah, I don't get that point of view. I think we are 2-3 years away from contending and if we sign Tex for 8-10 years we'll have him already locked up when we are ready to contend. There are no guarantees that there will be someone of his caliber on the market as soon as we are ready to contend, and especially someone that can be the face of the franchise.

[Malike]

Any idea how that compares to ARod at that age?

Year Ag Tm  Lg  G   AB    R    H   2B 3B  HR  RBI  SB CS  BB  SO   BA   OBP   SLG *OPS+  TB   SH  SF IBB HBP GDP +--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+1994 18 SEA AL  17   54    4   11   0  0   0    2   3  0   3  20  .204  .241  .204   16   11   1   1   0   0   01995 19 SEA AL  48  142   15   33   6  2   5   19   4  2   6  42  .232  .264  .408   72   58   1   0   0   0   01996 20 SEA AL 146  601  141  215  54  1  36  123  15  4  59 104  .358  .414  .631  160  379   6   7   1   4  15 SS,MVP-2,AS1997 21 SEA AL 141  587  100  176  40  3  23   84  29  6  41  99  .300  .350  .496  120  291   4   1   1   5  14 AS1998 22 SEA AL 161  686  123  213  35  5  42  124  46 13  45 121  .310  .360  .560  136  384   3   4   0  10  12 SS,MVP-9,AS1999 23 SEA AL 129  502  110  143  25  0  42  111  21  7  56 109  .285  .357  .586  134  294   1   8   2   5  12 SS,MVP-152000 24 SEA AL 148  554  134  175  34  2  41  132  15  4 100 121  .316  .420  .606  162  336   0  11   5   7  10 SS,MVP-3,AS2001 25 TEX AL 162  632  133  201  34  1  52  135  18  3  75 131  .318  .399  .622  160  393   0   9   6  16  17 SS,MVP-6,AS2002 26 TEX AL 162  624  125  187  27  2  57  142   9  4  87 122  .300  .392  .623  158  389   0   4  12  10  14 SS,MVP-2,AS2003 27 TEX AL 161  607  124  181  30  6  47  118  17  3  87 126  .298  .396  .600  147  364   0   6  10  15  16 SS,MVP-1,AS2004 28 NYY AL 155  601  112  172  24  2  36  106  28  4  80 131  .286  .375  .512  131  308   0   7   6  10  18

[Mike B]

Would you rather have Tex or AROD?

Anyway back on subject. I have been a naysayer since day 1. I didnt and still don't think he ends up here (I so want to be wrong). Now I worry about the Yankees.

XM had two Yankee writers on yesterday(Sherman was one, forgot the others name) and they both agree that the Yankees are bluffing. Evidently they think he is going to Boston and want to drive up the price. Joel Sherman claims they did this because the Red Sox took Sabathia and his agent to lunch last week and that is what caused NY to add the 7th year. Showing interest in Tex is the payback. You have to love how those two think MLB is composed of them and then 28 other minor partners.