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I think now is a good time to see if McDermott could fill one of our Bullpen spots. His starter numbers seem to suggest he could be a shutdown 1-2 IP guy. We could really use a guy that could come in and strike someone out.

Cano ain't that guy right now.  He has to figure out how to pitch in the top of the zone. Webb can get it sometimes. Columbe was starting to get it sometimes. But right now, Kimbrell is really the only one that can come in and strike someone out, and we see what is sandwiched between those Ks at times

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9 minutes ago, ScGO's said:

I think now is a good time to see if McDermott could fill one of our Bullpen spots. His starter numbers seem to suggest he could be a shutdown 1-2 IP guy. We could really use a guy that could come in and strike someone out.

Cano ain't that guy right now.  He has to figure out how to pitch in the top of the zone. Webb can get it sometimes. Columbe was starting to get it sometimes. But right now, Kimbrell is really the only one that can come in and strike someone out, and we see what is sandwiched between those Ks at times

Think the issue with calling up McDermott to be a bullpen arm is that he doesn't typically pitch out of the bullpen. We'd be changing his once every 5 days routine to potentially once every other day/every 3 days. Now, there are ways to scale him down by leveraging him as a long reliever and have him, say, piggyback Cade Povich or Suarez or Irvin and then make a decision whether to have him take over a rotation spot or not. But I'd rather he start, tbh. 

Go get a #3 starter, move Suarez to the bullpen.

Call up Chayce McDermott, decide whether to move Irvin out of the rotation into middle/long relief and slot Chayce as #5.

Unfortunately, I think Chayce's role in the rotation hinges on whether Dean Kremer is effective at all in his next rehab start(s). If Kremer isn't remotely competent looking (length and performance), they probably slot him back in. 

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15 minutes ago, ScGO's said:

I think now is a good time to see if McDermott could fill one of our Bullpen spots. His starter numbers seem to suggest he could be a shutdown 1-2 IP guy. We could really use a guy that could come in and strike someone out.

Cano ain't that guy right now.  He has to figure out how to pitch in the top of the zone. Webb can get it sometimes. Columbe was starting to get it sometimes. But right now, Kimbrell is really the only one that can come in and strike someone out, and we see what is sandwiched between those Ks at times

The issue with Cano is the classic issue with sinkerballers. Hyde let him rest far too long. There's comprehensive data out there showing that sinkerballers really suffer from too much rest. 

That said, Cano is a different pitcher this year. He's throwing his 4 seamer far more this year than last (11% vs. 3%) at the expense of his sinker (48% vs. 55%) and slider (11% vs. 14%). 

Another thing, his control and command is off this year. That sinker just isn't living low enough. Same goes for his changeup. 

He's nearly tripled his walk rate. Cano is really good when he isn't putting runners on base for free because those groundballs that he gets from his sinker aren't likely to do damage. Now they're doing damage. 

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2 hours ago, Philip said:

It’s funny that people are wanting to bring back Tanner Scott and his 6.1 walk rate, but balking at McDermott and his 5.5 walk rate.

I’m leery of McDermott too, but as they say, “any port in a storm,” so no reason not to give him a try.

McDermott has pitched parts of 6 months in AAA.  Here is the monthly WHIP breakdown,

August 23' 25.2 IP 1.05 WHIP

September 23' 12 IP 0.75 WHIP

March 24' 4.1 IP 1.38 WHIP

April 24' 17 IP 2.06 WHIP

May 24' 25.2 IP 1.25 WHIP

June 24' 23.1 IP 1.29 IP

That April 2024 WHIP really skews the numbers. 

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2 hours ago, LookitsPuck said:

The issue with Cano is the classic issue with sinkerballers. Hyde let him rest far too long. There's comprehensive data out there showing that sinkerballers really suffer from too much rest. 

That said, Cano is a different pitcher this year. He's throwing his 4 seamer far more this year than last (11% vs. 3%) at the expense of his sinker (48% vs. 55%) and slider (11% vs. 14%). 

Another thing, his control and command is off this year. That sinker just isn't living low enough. Same goes for his changeup. 

He's nearly tripled his walk rate. Cano is really good when he isn't putting runners on base for free because those groundballs that he gets from his sinker aren't likely to do damage. Now they're doing damage. 

The 4 seamer isn’t what they are hitting.   They are hitting .083 off of it. 

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On 6/26/2024 at 11:07 AM, SteveA said:

Elias has been here for almost 5 years.   Is there ANYTHING in his history to think that he would use that logic to bring up a prospect?   He brings guys up when he thinks they can contribute and not a moment sooner.   There is NOTHING I have seen him do to think he would ever say, well, let's just give this a try because things aren't going well.

If you expect him to run the team with that logic, or believe he should, you are simply just going to be disappointed.

We are still on pace to win 100 games, he is not going to overreact to a bad 0-5 stretch that comes right after a great 20-7 stretch and say, well, we have to do SOMETHING, might as well give McDermott a try.   He will bring up McDermott when he thinks the time is right in McDermott's development, and no sooner.

I’m sorry I wasn’t clear, I was saying that although I’m not in favor of bringing up McDermott, it might be worth trying. I didn’t suggest that Mike would do so.

I also firmly think that if we are going to risk someone with a terrible BB rate, it would be wise to bring up McDermott than to acquire Scott. 

But I would prefer to do neither.
 

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