Unconventional Thinking: A Quick Sell Off

[OriolesMagic83]

10 minutes ago, EddeeEddee said:

I didn't watch the game but it looks like the main reason we lost tonight is because Guerrero is back in beast mode.  No pitcher should be giving him anything to hit right now.

Maybe that should be something they stress with the pitchers.  He was only a single shy of the cycle tonight.  The O's probably would have won if they had pitched around him. 

[24fps]

10 minutes ago, EddeeEddee said:

I didn't watch the game but it looks like the main reason we lost tonight is because Guerrero is back in beast mode.  No pitcher should be giving him anything to hit right now.

Seriously.  Right now, nobody on the Blue Jays is worth worrying about except Gurrrero.  2B Spencer Horwitz (4 HR on the season) is their cleanup hitter okay?  There was no reason to let Guerrero go 3-4 with 4 RBI.

[glenn__davis]

7 minutes ago, 24fps said:

Seriously.  Right now, nobody on the Blue Jays is worth worrying about except Gurrrero.  2B Spencer Horwitz (4 HR on the season) is their cleanup hitter okay?  There was no reason to let Guerrero go 3-4 with 4 RBI.

In fairness they didn't have much choice. 1st inning he came up with runners on 1st and 2nd and nobody out. You going to walk him to load the bases and no one out? And then in the 5th again, man on 1st with no one out.  Really can't walk him there. 

The far bigger sins were the walks to Varsho in front of him. 

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

12 minutes ago, glenn__davis said:

In fairness they didn't have much choice. 1st inning he came up with runners on 1st and 2nd and nobody out. You going to walk him to load the bases and no one out? And then in the 5th again, man on 1st with no one out.  Really can't walk him there. 

The far bigger sins were the walks to Varsho in front of him. 

Bad starting pitching and poor defense is a recipe to lose and the Orioles have been doing plenty of both recently. For now the best case scenario is they tread water with Grayson out. If they can make the playoffs with a healthy Burnes, Grayson and Eflin the O's have at least have potential to do some damage in the postseason.

This next month is going to be rough unless Rogers, Kremer or Suarez steps up. If the playoffs started today who would be the game three starter? I'd go with Suarez I trust him more than the other two. Grayson has to be healthy or it's another early playoff exit.

And the defense has got to get better the last two months have been brutal. One fix is O'Hearn never plays the outfield unless he's the last man on the bench.

Edited August 9 by OsFanSinceThe80s

[EddeeEddee]

57 minutes ago, glenn__davis said:

In fairness they didn't have much choice. 1st inning he came up with runners on 1st and 2nd and nobody out. You going to walk him to load the bases and no one out? And then in the 5th again, man on 1st with no one out.  Really can't walk him there. 

The far bigger sins were the walks to Varsho in front of him. 

Yeah good points.  

[bpilktree67]

16 minutes ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

Bad starting pitching and poor defense is a recipe to lose and the Orioles have been doing plenty of both recently. For now the best case scenario is they tread water with Grayson out. If they can make the playoffs with a healthy Burnes, Grayson and Eflin the O's have at least have potential to do some damage in the postseason.

This next month is going to be rough unless Rogers, Kremer or Suarez steps up. If the playoffs started today who would be the game three starter? I'd go with Suarez I trust him more than the other two. Grayson has to be healthy or it's another early playoff exit.

And the defense has got to get better the last two months have been brutal. One fix is O'Hearn never plays the outfield unless he's the last man on the bench.

It maybe an early exit but even with how bad things have been the Orioles still have the 4th best record since all star break and it all pretty muddled up.  
Royals 12-7, very misleading 6-0 vs White Sox 6-7 vs everyone else. Don’t play again. 
Yankees 10-8

Rays 10-8 

Orioles 10-10

Twins 9-9

Astros 9-9 

Guardians 9-10

Red Sox 8-10

Mariners 7-11

It is usually the better teams that play best 2nd half but no one is really doing that.  The NL is the same way.  

[Spakman]

4 hours ago, glenn__davis said:

In fairness they didn't have much choice. 1st inning he came up with runners on 1st and 2nd and nobody out. You going to walk him to load the bases and no one out? And then in the 5th again, man on 1st with no one out.  Really can't walk him there. 

The far bigger sins were the walks to Varsho in front of him. 

Hyde said nothing to Dean when he left the mound. Obviously not too happy about the five walks. And going from 0-2 to walking the last batter he faced was atrocious.

Edited August 9 by Spakman

[Chelsea_Phil]

As Dennis Green so aptly put, Dean Kremer is who we think he is, that being a mediocre pitcher , and that’s all he will ever be.

[clapdiddy]

2 hours ago, Chelsea_Phil said:

As Dennis Green so aptly put, Dean Kremer is who we think he is, that being a mediocre pitcher , and that’s all he will ever be.

I'd say, for this season, you are actually being generous.

[milbest77]

Bottom line, we didn’t spend the money this offseason to put ourselves in the position to make a deep playoff run. And, no, the trade for Burnes and taking on Mickey Mouse payroll at the deadline don’t count. Now to be fair, ownership was in flux, so that could’ve played a role. But I won’t hold my breath on that. 
 

October is not a crapshoot. That’s just an excuse for not spending $$. How many rings do Tampa, Cleveland, and Oakland have? Moneyball doesn’t win championships. 
 

I fully expect more cheapness this offseason as well. We won’t resign Santander because we can get that oh so precious draft pick!!!

Remember, Elias remarked at his opening press conference in 2018 that the goal was to build an elite talent pipeline. Nowhere did he ever mention “win a championship.”

[Sanfran327]

12 minutes ago, milbest77 said:

Bottom line, we didn’t spend the money this offseason to put ourselves in the position to make a deep playoff run. And, no, the trade for Burnes and taking on Mickey Mouse payroll at the deadline don’t count. Now to be fair, ownership was in flux, so that could’ve played a role. But I won’t hold my breath on that. 
 

October is not a crapshoot. That’s just an excuse for not spending $$. How many rings do Tampa, Cleveland, and Oakland have? Moneyball doesn’t win championships. 
 

I fully expect more cheapness this offseason as well. We won’t resign Santander because we can get that oh so precious draft pick!!!

Remember, Elias remarked at his opening press conference in 2018 that the goal was to build an elite talent pipeline. Nowhere did he ever mention “win a championship.”

So you don't think that losing Bradish, Wells, Means, Bautista, Coulombe, and more recently G-Rod has had any impact on our team? Despite all that, last I checked, we are 1 game off the win column for the best record in MLB. 

This is a pretty terrible (embarrassing) take. 

[Aristotelian]

14 minutes ago, milbest77 said:

Bottom line, we didn’t spend the money this offseason to put ourselves in the position to make a deep playoff run. And, no, the trade for Burnes and taking on Mickey Mouse payroll at the deadline don’t count. Now to be fair, ownership was in flux, so that could’ve played a role. But I won’t hold my breath on that. 
 

October is not a crapshoot. That’s just an excuse for not spending $$. How many rings do Tampa, Cleveland, and Oakland have? Moneyball doesn’t win championships. 
 

I fully expect more cheapness this offseason as well. We won’t resign Santander because we can get that oh so precious draft pick!!!

Remember, Elias remarked at his opening press conference in 2018 that the goal was to build an elite talent pipeline. Nowhere did he ever mention “win a championship.”

I don't see much correlation between payroll and WS rings. Having a top 5 or top 10 payroll seems to help, and it's very hard to win with a bottom 10 payroll. We are on the outer edge of the range. It is important to realize that Rubenstein was not announced until shortly before opening day. Most of the offseason was under Angelos so we still just don't know what Elias's constraints were.

https://www.cougarboard.com/board/message.html?id=30896381

 

[milbest77]

6 minutes ago, Sanfran327 said:

So you don't think that losing Bradish, Wells, Means, Bautista, Coulombe, and more recently G-Rod has had any impact on our team? Despite all that, last I checked, we are 1 game off the win column for the best record in MLB. 

This is a pretty terrible (embarrassing) take. 

No, it’s a reality take. Elias didn’t have a contingency plan for fragile Bradish and Means. 
 

It’s embarrassing that you didn’t read my full note. I wasn’t referring to our record on August 9.

[The Goob]

With the Angelos family still in control and working to sell the team I think it impressive the team we had on opening day with what I am sure were very tight payroll constraints.  I do not expect that to be much of an issue in the future.  The added payroll at the trade deadline was a very encouraging sign. 

[milbest77]

3 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

I don't see much correlation between payroll and WS rings. Having a top 5 or top 10 payroll seems to help, and it's very hard to win with a bottom 10 payroll. We are on the outer edge of the range. It is important to realize that Rubenstein was not announced until shortly before opening day. Most of the offseason was under Angelos so we still just don't know what Elias's constraints were.

https://www.cougarboard.com/board/message.html?id=30896381

 

I’ll give you Miami in 03 being 25th and Angels in 02 being 15th. But that’s two teams. Os have the 22nd ranked payroll.

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/_/year/2024/sort/cap_total2