Rubenstein: Orioles will speed up the effort to get to a World Series

[Roll Tide]

On 10/21/2024 at 6:08 PM, Can_of_corn said:

Why?  Because the ownership isn't willing to spend?

If a team doesn't want to compete as hard as another team they should be rewarded?

Well …are you taking into account that some teams have a whole lot more to work with? I agree with tv money, revenue sharing , and other stuff that Oakland has way more money than they are spending. 

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Roll Tide said:

Well …are you taking into account that some teams have a whole lot more to work with? I agree with tv money, revenue sharing , and other stuff that Oakland has way more money than they are spending. 

With the number of teams making the playoffs that make the playoffs, every team, if run properly, has a chance to reach the postseason.

Would it be ideal if things were more fair?  Sure.

Do I think the owners would use a salary cap to lower overall spending?

Heck yea I do.

As I've said before teams in NY and LA are going to have an advantage over teams in Ohio and Maryland even if payrolls are equalized.  You think your average NBA player feels the same way about playing in Toronto that they do Miami?  It's never going to be an even playing field.

[sportsfan8703]

In this current market, aren’t we the team that has an “unfair” advantage?

#1 Adley, #1 Holliday, #2 Heston, #4 Cowser.

All in our everyday lineup. All acquired because we took advantage of the system and tanked.  Picks that high will never happen again like that with the new rules that MLB put in place. 

We’re not exactly the underdogs anymore. 

Let’s say we choose to resign all of our top picks?  Do we become the evil empire just for keeping our guys?  See why the crying over payroll should stop. 

Edited Wednesday at 10:45 by sportsfan8703

[JR Oriole]

1 hour ago, sportsfan8703 said:

In this current market, aren’t we the team that has an “unfair” advantage?

#1 Adley, #1 Holliday, #2 Heston, #4 Cowser.

All in our everyday lineup. All acquired because we took advantage of the system and tanked.  Picks that high will never happen again like that with the new rules that MLB put in place. 

We’re not exactly the underdogs anymore. 

Let’s say we choose to resign all of our top picks?  Do we become the evil empire just for keeping our guys?  See why the crying over payroll should stop. 

The crying only seems to occur when there is success.  I doubt any other fanbases will cry about anything we do as long as we continue to not win any games in October.  You can only be an evil empire if you actually win big games and create envy with your success.  We could sign every young player to a long term extension and boost the payroll a ton, but we are a threat to nobody until we show we can actually win even one game in the playoffs.  Until then, we are basically harmless.  

[Roll Tide]

13 minutes ago, JR Oriole said:

The crying only seems to occur when there is success.  I doubt any other fanbases will cry about anything we do as long as we continue to not win any games in October.  You can only be an evil empire if you actually win big games and create envy with your success.  We could sign every young player to a long term extension and boost the payroll a ton, but we are a threat to nobody until we show we can actually win even one game in the playoffs.  Until then, we are basically harmless.  

The Yankees have had an incredibly unfair advantage for decades. That’s how you become the “Evil Empire”. The Rays have had a pretty good run of remaining competitive and even winning in October. They will never be an “Evil Empire “. 
 

If the Orioles win in October they won’t either. The players listed in the post you responded to are a nice collection of young players that were collected because our team was awful. Did they tank on purpose….I suppose but we were pretty awful and stuck in a state where we were eternally mediocre and had an owner who lost half of his tv revenue and didn’t really want to spend. Something had to change.

[Billy F-Face3]

On 10/19/2024 at 3:40 PM, Teddy OBP said:

Start by signing Burnes. Then I’ll believe anything he says.

I agree. I think he and Santander should be high priorities, and add to them from there. Clearly having them on the roster wasn't enough to win a playoff game even in spite of those player's high performing efforts all season long.

[Can_of_corn]

On 10/23/2024 at 8:26 AM, Roll Tide said:

The Yankees have had an incredibly unfair advantage for decades. That’s how you become the “Evil Empire”. The Rays have had a pretty good run of remaining competitive and even winning in October. They will never be an “Evil Empire “. 
 

If the Orioles win in October they won’t either. The players listed in the post you responded to are a nice collection of young players that were collected because our team was awful. Did they tank on purpose….I suppose but we were pretty awful and stuck in a state where we were eternally mediocre and had an owner who lost half of his tv revenue and didn’t really want to spend. Something had to change.

Since they moved from Baltimore to New York.

That's how they got Ruth.

[Big Mac]

5 minutes ago, Billy F-Face3 said:

I agree. I think he and Santander should be high priorities, and add to them from there. Clearly having them on the roster wasn't enough to win a playoff game even in spite of those player's high performing efforts all season long.

Santander going 1-8 with no walks didn't exactly help in the effort to win a playoff game. 

[Osornot]

Not many may agree, but I believe that Rubenstein told Elias to provide a quick turnaround on the best-case scenario.  Money comes into real play after part 1, i.e., what makes sense and realistic. It's the type of business leader he is (from what I have heard).  I also believe that the Angelos's were the opposite.

To me, this quote says it all.  

“So I have to recognize that it may not happen. I’m now 75 years old. It’s unlikely that I’ll be, you know, doing this for 20 more years. So I’ve got to speed up the effort to get [to] a World Series a lot sooner than maybe some younger owners would.”

[24fps]

36 minutes ago, Osornot said:

Not many may agree, but I believe that Rubenstein told Elias to provide a quick turnaround on the best-case scenario.  Money comes into real play after part 1, i.e., what makes sense and realistic. It's the type of business leader he is (from what I have heard).  I also believe that the Angelos's were the opposite.

To me, this quote says it all.  

“So I have to recognize that it may not happen. I’m now 75 years old. It’s unlikely that I’ll be, you know, doing this for 20 more years. So I’ve got to speed up the effort to get [to] a World Series a lot sooner than maybe some younger owners would.”

This is as plausible a theory as any other that has been trotted out since the end of the regular season and it's one I fully subscribe to.

Personally however, I think restraint is advisable when it comes to comparing his historical business leadership to his newfound role as 75 year-old billionaire owner of a a sports franchise.  Especially given his demonstrated propensity for dancing on the home team dugout during the seventh inning stretch.

[Roll Tide]

1 minute ago, 24fps said:

This is as plausible a theory as any other that has been trotted out since the end of the regular season and it's one I fully subscribe to.

Personally however, I think restraint is advisable when it comes to comparing his historical business leadership to his newfound role as 75 year-old billionaire owner of a a sports franchise.  Especially given his demonstrated propensity for dancing on the home team dugout during the seventh inning stretch.

I think he’s all in. That’s why I have hope that he will resign Burnes and add some veteran offensive a talent to help the team play better in October 

[24fps]

7 hours ago, Roll Tide said:

I think he’s all in. That’s why I have hope that he will resign Burnes and add some veteran offensive a talent to help the team play better in October 

The real question I have is about motivation: does he simply want to scratch an itch before losing interest or go for sustained competitiveness like the teams of the 1960’s and 1970’s?  I’d prefer the latter. 

[Roll Tide]

18 minutes ago, 24fps said:

The real question I have is about motivation: does he simply want to scratch an itch before losing interest or go for sustained competitiveness like the teams of the 1960’s and 1970’s?  I’d prefer the latter. 

He’s an Orioles fan…. I think it’s safe to assume it’s the later.

[Jagwar]

On 10/22/2024 at 8:21 PM, Can_of_corn said:

With the number of teams making the playoffs that make the playoffs, every team, if run properly, has a chance to reach the postseason.

Would it be ideal if things were more fair?  Sure.

Do I think the owners would use a salary cap to lower overall spending?

Heck yea I do.

As I've said before teams in NY and LA are going to have an advantage over teams in Ohio and Maryland even if payrolls are equalized.  You think your average NBA player feels the same way about playing in Toronto that they do Miami?  It's never going to be an even playing field.

I've always believed that one way to address the payroll disparity would be to put another team in the NY market and another in the LA market. I know that the owners would vigorously fight it, but the dollars would eventually spread over the extra team and make it more fair for the other markets. Move the A's to LA and the Rays to Brooklyn. 

I know it's just as unlikely as a salary cap

[Jagwar]

17 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

He’s an Orioles fan…. I think it’s safe to assume it’s the later.

Agreed. He's acting/speaking more like a fan than an owner.