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Red Sox/Padres Talking AGon Trade (UPDATE: Trade done)


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It just makes too much sense.

They have a ton of depth to trade from, a need at first and are trying to match the Yankees.

This isn't anything the Orioles can even remotely get involved with.

When the Orioles start pouring money into amateur talent and have a very deep farm system, then they can make moves like this.

The Sox are going to have 5 of the top 50ish picks in the draft this year...Its a deep draft and they will spend money...So, they will be able to replenish their system quickly.

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BA's #1 overall prospect was downgraded by MacPhail? Yeah right.
"I actually saw some [online] poll as to what Wieters' percentage was of getting to the Hall of Fame," MacPhail says, incredulous. "That's when I thought, 'Now that's enough.' Good Lord."

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2009-02-25/sports/0902240423_1_matt-wieters-andy-macphail-minor-leagues

And ever since, MacPhail has found it hard to answer when Wieters would actually make his debut.

"You try to temper it," MacPhail said of the interest. "This is a difficult league. You've got to go through a lot of adjustments. With that excitement, you run the risk of excitement if he doesn't hit a three or four-run homer in his first game.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090526&content_id=4970440&vkey=news_bal&fext=.jsp&c_id=bal

The one thing you don't want to do with a ballyhooed prospect is to have to send him back. "

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=kurkjian_tim&id=4214226

"The ballyhoo for Matt Wieters has been unlike what I've seen before except for Mark Prior," said MacPhail, who was running the Cubs when Prior, the pitcher drafted second overall in the 2001 draft, made his big league debut the following year. "Seeing those guys opening baseball cards was a little reminder about keeping perspective. Matt is still just a young kid in this game."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1166962/2/index.htm#ixzz176wk4zAK

"Our expectations are hopefully he'll be able to do the lion's share of the catching and continue to progress as it relates to handling the game behind the plate, and be a contributing offensive player," general manager Andy MacPhail said. "I don't think it's reasonable to expect him to be a middle-of-the-order impact hitter his first full season in the big leagues."

"The hype was world class," said MacPhail. "He handled it about as well as you could hope a kid would handle it."

http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/03/27/matt-wieters-catching-on-quick-with-os/

“Kids have enough pressure on them, and everything on Wieters was out of control,” MacPhail said. “I try not to get into the hype stuff.”
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-orioles010810

Call it protecting him if you will, but MacPhail tried to suppress the hype for Wieters as much as he could instead of embracing it say like the Nationals did with Strasburg.

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How does Boston, which has drafted after Baltimore for at least thirteen straight seasons, have the minor league resources to pull off this trade, and we seemingly don't?

Rhetorical question, really

That's the beauty of compensation picks and international signings.

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You have seriously, lost your damn mind. I'm going to call you DJtrea, because you can spin it with the best, and I mean best. You could turn a sky is blue comment into a MacPhail bashfest.

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I shouldn't be wasting my time doing this, but here's what Francona said about Red Sox top position prospect Dustin Pedroia the day after he made his major league debut:

"I think we all expect him to probably be somewhat surprising to the opposition," Francona said. "They look at his stature, I think he's going to swing it a little firmer than they think. He's an interesting young man. I'm kind of looking forward to the chance of getting to know him a little better. I think we all feel like he fits in our future, just trying to figure out where and how and how much. There will be some interesting things to figure out with him."

We're just mincing words here. The O's didn't "hype up" Wieters because the national media already did that. I guarantee you there were plenty of people excited to see him play and there were definitely a lot of people excited in the organization about his capabilities as a player. MacPhail wasn't doing anything except commenting on Wieters potential in the major leagues. Maybe he was tempering expectations, maybe he was trying to alleviate the pressure already on Wieters shoulders. It's already been made clear that veterans in the clubhouse were giving crap to Wieters in the locker room before Buck arrived. I don't doubt any additional "hype" MacPhail heaped upon Wieters performance would have been more counter-productive than useful.

The Red Sox do nothing particularly different in handling their prospects (in the media) than any other team. The fact of the matter is: the Red Sox HAVE more good prospects so maybe it just seems that way.

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Perhaps MacPhail should have ditched the sweater vest and went with a Wieters jersey instead. He could have preceded every mention of his name with "future hall of famer, multiple time MVP, and the man destined to break Wilt Chamberlain's record with the ladies" Mr Matt Wieters. For him to downplay Wieters chances for the hall of fame, when he was clearly tearing it up in the minors was inexcusable.:rolleyes:

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Perhaps MacPhail should have ditched the sweater vest and went with a Wieters jersey instead. He could have preceded every mention of his name with "future hall of famer, multiple time MVP, and the man destined to break Wilt Chamberlain's record with the ladies" Mr Matt Wieters. For him to downplay Wieters chances for the hall of fame, when he was clearly tearing it up in the minors was inexcusable.:rolleyes:

This is unrelated to your point, but if there was an interview conducted with MacPhail clad in a Wieters Jersey at Camden Yards hours before his major league debut, I might have died laughing.

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This is unrelated to your point, but if there was an interview conducted with MacPhail clad in a Wieters Jersey at Camden Yards hours before his major league debut, I might have died laughing.

Better yet he should have had a custom sweater vest made with Wieters' name and number on the back...

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Better yet he should have had a custom sweater vest made with Wieters' name and number on the back...

Oh man, imagine the post game interview: Wieters would be standing beside MacPhail in the clubhouse, excited and exhausted - probably a million things rushing through his head. MacPhail would be smiling broadly, the ink of Wieter's signature barely dried on his sweater-vest, fitfully answering the reporters for Matt at every opportunity.

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