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Will Jim Johnson be non-tendered?


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Will Jim Johnson be non-tendered?  

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He never was a particularly good pitcher, as a starter OR reliever. He put on a magical run with us in 2012, where a great defense, team-wide momentum, and the deception of his sinker were working in tandem to give him an edge that lasted through almost all of the season. The book's out on Jim now; he never has been a strikeout guy, so all you have to do to beat him is "hit it where they ain't". Opposing hitters are seeing that sinker very well this year, even when it sinks.

Other than his run in 2012, he's just been an unremarkable pitcher and is not worth his current salary even if he repeated last year's performance. The Yankees front office could care less about a poorly-spent $6.5 million (it doesn't hold a candle to the amount they wasted on Aroid and others), but to the Orioles, that's a fortune that we could spend better elsewhere. Every penny we throw away is money we aren't putting into promising young players or mid-season FA deals to close off our weaknesses.

Team always says they're strapped for cash, but gee, maybe if they didn't put out for replacement-level players commanding MVP salaries, maybe they'd find some available funds on the balance sheet.

This is just patently stupid on sooooo many levels.

But the main one is that JJ has been a very, very good RP for many years outside of last year. To say otherwise is simplydumb.

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Signed here or elsewhere. More likely elsewhere. Dan has no prejudice. See Reynolds, Mark. If it doesn't help the team or fit into his bottom line he'll be ruthless.

If he can get him back for what he paid him this year or less, I think they'll bring him back. Whether he's a closer or not, he's been a very good reliever for many years.

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It really depends on what Jimmy wants to do. How much he wants to be paid.

Every team has 25M more in revenue next year. FA will be expensive. Jimmy can probably get 9-10M on the open market. The O's are not going to pay that, probably.

If Jimmy wants to stay with the O's for 7M then he can probably sign with the O's. If he wants more. He probably goes.

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If he can get him back for what he paid him this year or less, I think they'll bring him back. Whether he's a closer or not, he's been a very good reliever for many years.

I can't even see it at the same, $6.5M. Dan won't hesitate to dump his butt if he doesn't see him fitting into the budget.

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He never was a particularly good pitcher, as a starter OR reliever. He put on a magical run with us in 2012, where a great defense, team-wide momentum, and the deception of his sinker were working in tandem to give him an edge that lasted through almost all of the season. The book's out on Jim now; he never has been a strikeout guy, so all you have to do to beat him is "hit it where they ain't". Opposing hitters are seeing that sinker very well this year, even when it sinks.

Other than his run in 2012, he's just been an unremarkable pitcher and is not worth his current salary even if he repeated last year's performance. The Yankees front office could care less about a poorly-spent $6.5 million (it doesn't hold a candle to the amount they wasted on Aroid and others), but to the Orioles, that's a fortune that we could spend better elsewhere. Every penny we throw away is money we aren't putting into promising young players or mid-season FA deals to close off our weaknesses.

Team always says they're strapped for cash, but gee, maybe if they didn't put out for replacement-level players commanding MVP salaries, maybe they'd find some available funds on the balance sheet.

He's among the MLB leaders in relief rWAR (actually 6th, less than a win behind 2nd-place Joe Nathan) since 2008, with three seasons of 2+. Which kind of indicates, at least to me, that calling him a one-year wonder is waaaaaaaaaay off base.

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It really depends on what Jimmy wants to do. How much he wants to be paid.

Every team has 25M more in revenue next year. FA will be expensive. Jimmy can probably get 9-10M on the open market. The O's are not going to pay that, probably.

If Jimmy wants to stay with the O's for 7M then he can probably sign with the O's. If he wants more. He probably goes.

A lot of that 25 million will be going into the owners' pockets.

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Even in this season of horrors he still leads the league in saves and has an OK era and peripherals. He's probably gonna be overpaid at 7 million+ but a one year deal isn't much to risk that he'll return to form. I think he'll be tendered if he has a good September. If he has another string of meltdowns...

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He never was a particularly good pitcher, as a starter OR reliever. He put on a magical run with us in 2012, where a great defense, team-wide momentum, and the deception of his sinker were working in tandem to give him an edge that lasted through almost all of the season. The book's out on Jim now; he never has been a strikeout guy, so all you have to do to beat him is "hit it where they ain't". Opposing hitters are seeing that sinker very well this year, even when it sinks.

Other than his run in 2012, he's just been an unremarkable pitcher and is not worth his current salary even if he repeated last year's performance. The Yankees front office could care less about a poorly-spent $6.5 million (it doesn't hold a candle to the amount they wasted on Aroid and others), but to the Orioles, that's a fortune that we could spend better elsewhere. Every penny we throw away is money we aren't putting into promising young players or mid-season FA deals to close off our weaknesses.

Team always says they're strapped for cash, but gee, maybe if they didn't put out for replacement-level players commanding MVP salaries, maybe they'd find some available funds on the balance sheet.

This is completely and utterly ridiculous. From 2008-2011, before he became the full-time closer and had his "career" year last year he'd accumulated a WAR of 6.8 (per BB-Ref). That included what was in WAR terms his best year in 2011 when he pitched in 91 innings and had a WHIP only slightly worse than 2012 after missing a good chunk of the previous season. Jim Johnson has shown the ability to be a shut down reliever prior to last season, last season, and at the beginning of this season. Should he be a closer going forward, that's up for debate. But if production like this over the course of several seasons is unremarkable, I'll take a bullpen full of unremarkable pitchers.

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This is way saves are so stupid. The Orioles, along with the other teams, created this issue. Why bring JJ in with a 2 or 3 run lead when the guy that was out there was doing fine? Every time Buck ran him out there, he put money in his pocket. He goes to the table and says, I had 45 saves or I lead the league in saves. Cha Ching. Saves are the dumbest thing ever created by baseball. Without that dopey stat, teams would save millions, they would avoid all the " who is the closer issues " and probably have the same results on the field. My biggest pet peeve in baseball.

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This is way saves are so stupid. The Orioles, along with the other teams, created this issue. Why bring JJ in with a 2 or 3 run lead when the guy that was out there was doing fine? Every time Buck ran him out there, he put money in his pocket. He goes to the table and says, I had 45 saves or I lead the league in saves. Cha Ching. Saves are the dumbest thing ever created by baseball. Without that dopey stat, teams would save millions, they would avoid all the " who is the closer issues " and probably have the same results on the field. My biggest pet peeve in baseball.

Teams wouldn't save a dime. They'd just reallocate a few million dollars to some other player, in many cases a reliever like O'Day or Hunter.

And teams often bring in a reliever when the last one was doing fine because they know that specialized relievers throwing as hard as possible for 20-30 pitches are not nearly as effective in longer stints, nor can they pitch as often. If you wait for them to fail you end up losing more games, and losing that reliever for the next game or two.

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