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Stotle Hangout Grand Counsel

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And I would assume that the fact that some pitchers from earlier eras varied their arm angles more frequently was due to larger strike zones and lower levels of competition. You don't have to be as fine with your command when facing what today would be AA or AAA talent with a knees-to-shoulders strike zone.

Yup. You could be more gimmicky back in the day, I think.

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You have no clue why they did that so stop acting as if you do. Again, have YOU ever pitched a baseball competively?? Or even attempted to do so?

By that I meant unless you pitched yourself or actually talked to some of these old timers, you are making an assumption without any actual clue to base it on.

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By that I meant unless you pitched yourself or actually talked to some of these old timers, you are making an assumption without any actual clue to base it on.

Good to see you haven't strayed from your tired old "if you haven't at least played backup high school first baseman in 1971 like me you couldn't possibly understand anything about baseball" shtick. It really hasn't improved with time. Nor gotten any less ridiculous and offensive.

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You have no clue why they did that so stop acting as if you do. Again, have YOU ever pitched a baseball competively?? Or even attempted to do so?

Drungo has a lot of clues. Please stop taunting him. PM with questions. Thanks.

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If I recall correctly Murray had five stances, two that he would use from one side of the plate and three from the other.

I assume you're not implying that this is something everyone should/could emulate. Being a HOFer and all makes comparisons difficult.

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The home-run power isn't there, but one of Hardy's two hits so far today was his tenth double of the season, and his batting average is up to .301. Not what we've been accustomed to, but not all bad, either. Quietly, he's putting up some decent numbers.

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Hardy is at 0.6 rWAR in 38 games played. That's a 2.4 pace and worth just about $13 mm.

The problem is, if Baltimore gets performance for value across the board it is not going to be a very good team for its payroll.

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Hardy is at 0.6 rWAR in 38 games played. That's a 2.4 pace and worth just about $13 mm.

For you guys who know how to calculate WAR and stuff, any way to figure out if the 2014 high average no power Hardy is actually BETTER for the team than the low OPS High Power Hardy of years past?

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This thread is so dumb.

Hardy has been standing off the plate his entire career, including all of his power-hitting Orioles seasons. So the premise of the OP is 100% bunk.

THAT SAID, he is standing more upright and with his hands closer to his body than previous years. I don't know why that would make any difference power-wise, but we can at least look at that and say "hey, that's a different stance".

But in terms of the his distance from the plate, it's exactly the same as his previous years.

I bet it has something to do with his back. He obviously has cut down on his swing and sacrificing power for well hit balls. If his back is even hurting in the least bit, then it makes swinging a bat more difficult. If he keeps getting the good part of the bat to the ball the homers will come. But if his back is still tender, then that has something to do with his decreased power.

He is one of the hottest hitters in the lineup (if not THE hottest hitter) so I cant complain too much. Jones Davis and Cruz are all hitting the ball with authority so it makes it less important for JJ to be hitting it out. Keep swinging it JJ!

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For you guys who know how to calculate WAR and stuff, any way to figure out if the 2014 high average no power Hardy is actually BETTER for the team than the low OPS High Power Hardy of years past?

wOBA is not a bad measure for that. He's at .309 for this year. Career is .321. High with the O's was .344 in 2011. He's been better than 2012, but that lack of power does hurt him.

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