Orioles messing with Gausman again what's new.

[Il BuonO]

I think it was cleared up that he has a service time issue that this send out will take care of that I was unaware of. One that puts him back on track for the seventh year of control. Check the posts above. Again. I was not aware of this.

Yes, I was in the middle of posting when those others were made. That does clear it up if correct.

[weams]

Yes, I was in the middle of posting when those others were made. That does clear it up if correct.

Yeah. I never even thought to look at that.

[MurphDogg]

Then it's even more confusing.

Actually they appear to have reached the point where they control him for an additional year which is much better than staving off Super 2 status. He entered the season with 71 days on the active roster. 172 days is equal to a full season, so if he is on the roster for more than 101 days this season he will have more than 1 full season. He was on the active roster from June 7th to June 20th (14 days). He was back up on the 27th for one day and was back up on July 6th for one day. He was able to be sent down in the interim due to the 26 man double header rules. He was also up for a day on May 14th when he made a start.

Believe it or not, despite making 6 starts Gausman has only accrued about 17 days of service time. After the All-Star Break there are fewer than 83 days of the season left and even if he is up the rest of the year he will remain below one full season of service time. He will then be a Super 2 for the 2017 season and wouldn't be a free agent until after the 2020 season.

[MurphDogg]

Ah, I took too long to do the research so I was beaten to the punch but to summarize, we now control him for 2020 and he will be arbitration eligible for four years from 2017-2020 making him a Super 2 in 2017.

[mdbdotcom]

So, let's look at the good and the bad of "messing" with Gausman again.

The Good:

- Gain another year of team control

- Don't run out of bullpen arms vs. Nats

- Limit his innings so he can be unleashed for the stretch run and playoffs

- Have a fresher arm for the dog days

The Bad:

- He misses one start

- Angelos (because he hasn't been blamed for anything lately

[Can_of_corn]

Ah, I took too long to do the research but, yeah we now control him for 2020 and he will be arbitration eligible for four years from 2017-2020 making him a Super 2 in 2017.

They can always trade or non-tender him if he is too expensive in year four.

[SteveO]

Do you think they may just want to buy the ten days and see what trade possibilities develop? Do you think we are listening?

I get the feeling there is some truth to that.

I like the idea of Gonzo in the pen but truth be told if he pitches like he did on Sat he has far more value as a trade piece. Starters even middling ones have far more value than BP arms generally unless we are talking upper echelon pen arms.

[hoosiers]

I am not sure there are too many examples of a team treating an effective starting pitcher like a yo-yo as we've done with KG.

I'd be interested in KG's real thoughts on this ..... as, on the surface, the treatment does not seem so appropriate to me (especially as part of the influence of this is his service clock. Teams play the service clock game all the time, but usually wait until May or June ad call the player up for good.

It is a delicate dance sometimes putting the best players on the field versus juggling service team. Hopefully, our GM I a good juggler.

[nevadaO]

I can say for almost certainty that, unless he comes back up and stinks (which I doubt), this will be the last time he's sent down. I can't imagine they'd do it again. They've accomplished what they wanted, he should come up to stay.

[Il BuonO]

I get the feeling there is some truth to that.

I like the idea of Gonzo in the pen but truth be told if he pitches like he did on Sat he has far more value as a trade piece. Starters even middling ones have far more value than BP arms generally unless we are talking upper echelon pen arms.

What stinks is he pitches better and more consistently than Jimenez yet there is talk of trading him or sending him to the pen.

[Il BuonO]

I am not sure there are too many examples of a team treating an effective starting pitcher like a yo-yo as we've done with KG.

I'd be interested in KG's real thoughts on this ..... as, on the surface, the treatment does not seem so appropriate to me (especially as part of the influence of this is his service clock. Teams play the service clock game all the time, but usually wait until May or June ad call the player up for good.

It is a delicate dance sometimes putting the best players on the field versus juggling service team. Hopefully, our GM I a good juggler.

He's handled it well, you must say that.

[MurphDogg]

I am not sure there are too many examples of a team treating an effective starting pitcher like a yo-yo as we've done with KG.

I'd be interested in KG's real thoughts on this ..... as, on the surface, the treatment does not seem so appropriate to me (especially as part of the influence of this is his service clock. Teams play the service clock game all the time, but usually wait until May or June ad call the player up for good.

It is a delicate dance sometimes putting the best players on the field versus juggling service team. Hopefully, our GM I a good juggler.

I understand your point but there are legit baseball reasons behind their treatment of Gausman. None of the other starters can be sent down and none have truly been ineffective enough to demand banishment to the bullpen. You can argue that Ubaldo has been but there are legitimate reasons not to send a guy in the first year of a 4/$50 deal to the pen.

[nevadaO]

I am not sure there are too many examples of a team treating an effective starting pitcher like a yo-yo as we've done with KG.

I'd be interested in KG's real thoughts on this ..... as, on the surface, the treatment does not seem so appropriate to me (especially as part of the influence of this is his service clock. Teams play the service clock game all the time, but usually wait until May or June ad call the player up for good.

It is a delicate dance sometimes putting the best players on the field versus juggling service team. Hopefully, our GM I a good juggler.

It's usually the middle of June (if they haven't been called up already) because the Super 2 deadline would have passed, assuming they've accrued no service time. The fact that Gausman was up last year for 71 days and has been up this year is screwing with that and they're accomplishing both his FA clock and his innings pitched by sending him down. It may not be popular but I'd rather have Gausman for 2020 than for 1 start this week before the ASG.

[backwardsk]

When you're short on relievers you can't send one down for 10 days. You're just replacing Brach who's been a steal for Depaula who is an uknown. I'd rather wait a couple days on Brach as opposed to losing him through the All Star break.

Again, I don't mind the move. But an alternative option would be to send down Brach (bring him back post ASG -- he's been awesome). After pitching 5+ innings on Saturday and Sunday you won't want to pitch him on Monday or Tuesday. Depaula up, Brach down. On Wednesday, Norris up, DePaula down. At that point Miguel could pitch out of the bullpen. He started on Saturday so he should be able to give you some innings by Wednesday. Jimenez on Thursday, Gausman on Friday, Tillman then Chen.

[Guest]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Part of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Orioles?src=hash">#Orioles</a>? rationale for demoting Gausman is to limit his innings and preserve him for later in season?</p>— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) <a href="

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>?Gausman currently at 78 2/3 innings between majors and minors. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Orioles?src=hash">#Orioles</a> want to keep him in the 160-170 range combined.</p>— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) <a href="

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