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I sometimes don't like the way fans talk about players and about moves that should be made. Baseball is a business but it doesn't mean we all have to think like businessmen.

When you reduce it to equations and just counting WAR - it does take some of the fun out of it. A few of the players I have met in my life are good humans. For rich, famous, folks.

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I think he's saying if you view baseball as a business, you won't be heartbroken when your favorite player leaves for another team.

Now let's get back to refining our projections for Markakis on the continuum from Joe Orsulak to Soylent Green.

Yeah. That's not the game I watch all year. Orulak would eat the Green. He might even do a commercial for it. Dempsey definitely would. And Tom Davis would have it on sale at Mars. Two for a dollar twenty nine.

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To Can_of_corn, Babypower and RZNJ:

I thought your answers to my questions were pretty good. As I've admitted, I'm biased on this particular subject, probably more than any issue that has come up in all my years posting on the Hangout. Putting aside the rational arguments that many posters (you included) have made for going in a different direction than re-signing Nick, it cuts against my grain to treat a long-term Oriole (not just in substance, but in the tone of some of the posts) as if he is simply a fungible commodity. That's probably a fault that would prevent me from being a good GM, but I don't care, because I'm not a GM, I'm a fan. And I'm a fan who doesn't just root for laundry.

I've resolved to say nothing further about Nick's contract situation until he is signed, here or somewhere else. So, you won't have to listen to my strained arguments in Nick's favor any more. But I do intend to crow in the Gold Glove thread, if Nick takes home the hardware. ;)

I think there is a strong case to sign Markakis.

If Markakis had a 780 OPS most fans would be in favor on him staying. So how does Markakis put up a 780 OPS in the future. The simple answer is don't play against the top 10 starters that he does not hit. That is probably 15 games a year at 4 at bats per game or 60 at bats. If instead of 160 games a season he plays 145 games against the pitchers he hits the best, he can probably put up a 50 point better OPS.

Now some people will say that Buck would never to that. But if Buck, DD and Markakis all agree to that before he signs his contract, it could happen.

Now I am not saying that that justifies 4/48. Maybe that justifies 2/20 with a investing option. If that is not good enough to keep Markakis where he say he wants to be, then that is his decision.

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I think there is a strong case to sign Markakis.

If Markakis had a 780 OPS most fans would be in favor on him staying. So how does Markakis put up a 780 OPS in the future. The simple answer is don't play against the top 10 starters that he does not hit. That is probably 15 games a year at 4 at bats per game or 60 at bats. If instead of 160 games a season he plays 145 games against the pitchers he hits the best, he can probably put up a 50 point better OPS.

Now some people will say that Buck would never to that. But if Buck, DD and Markakis all agree to that before he signs his contract, it could happen.

Now I am not saying that that justifies 4/48. Maybe that justifies 2/20 with a investing option. If that is not good enough to keep Markakis where he say he wants to be, then that is his decision.

I never said Buck would not agree to it. I said it would not work. Also, do you really think that they all sit down and agree to strategy before they sign a deal?

50 POINT BETTER OPS? By sitting out 8 games?

I can shake it, shake it. Like I'm supposed to do. But really.

I love your enthusiasm with your new management technique. But I do not believe it works. I guess if a player doesn't need to play against the top ten pitchers he would hit better, but the replacement for all those games better be Jeff Reboulet.

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I never said Buck would not agree to it. I said it would not work. Also, do you really think that they all sit down and agree to strategy before they sign a deal?

50 POINT BETTER OPS? By sitting out 8 games?

I can shake it, shake it. Like I'm supposed to do. But really.

I love your enthusiasm with your new management technique. But I do not believe it works. I guess if a player doesn't need to play against the top ten pitchers he would hit better, but the replacement for all those games better be Jeff Reboulet.

I think his plan includes the idea that Nick needs more rest then he currently gets. So not only would he be avoiding bad matchups, he would be better rested for the rest of the games.

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I think his plan includes the idea that Nick needs more rest then he currently gets. So not only would he be avoiding bad matchups, he would be better rested for the rest of the games.

Yeah. I heard that. I also said that Nick doesn't average 152 games a year. For his career. I still think that unless you go all Delmon on Nick you can't move his needle. Only he can.

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I never said Buck would not agree to it. I said it would not work. Also, do you really think that they all sit down and agree to strategy before they sign a deal?

50 POINT BETTER OPS? By sitting out 8 games?

I can shake it, shake it. Like I'm supposed to do. But really.

I love your enthusiasm with your new management technique. But I do not believe it works. I guess if a player doesn't need to play against the top ten pitchers he would hit better, but the replacement for all those games better be Jeff Reboulet.

I said 15 games not 8.

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Now I am not saying that that justifies 4/48. Maybe that justifies 2/20 with a investing option. If that is not good enough to keep Markakis where he say he wants to be, then that is his decision.

I think 28 teams offer Nick more than 2/20. With a Vesting Option.

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