Jump to content

Gausman, Bundy, and Harvey - What Would it Take?

wildbillhiccup

By wildbillhiccup
in Orioles Talk

Recommended Posts

wildbillhiccup Hangout Grand Counsel

wildbillhiccup

Posted
Posted

With the Tampa Bay Rays supposedly shopping Will Myers it got me thinking. The overwhelming sentiment in most of the Hangout posts seems to be that Kevin Gausman, Dylan Bundy, and Hunter Harvey all untouchable. So I ask you this; what/who would it take to pry one of them away? Would you part with Gausman for a 24 year stud prospect who is under control through 2019?

Link to comment
Share on other sites
  • Replies 65
  • Created
  • Last Reply
weams Hangout Grand Counsel

weams

Posted
Posted
With the Tampa Bay Rays supposedly shopping Will Myers it got me thinking. The overwhelming sentiment in most of the Hangout posts seems to be that Kevin Gausman, Dylan Bundy, and Hunter Harvey all untouchable. So I ask you this; what/who would it take to pry one of them away? Would you part with Gausman for a 24 year stud prospect who is under control through 2019?

Kevin Gausman is a stud prospect. Dylan Bundy is a stub prospect. Hunter Harvey is a nice one. You don't trade prospects for prospects. He hitz bomz. And you know I like that. But no. KC won that trade.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
wildbillhiccup Hangout Grand Counsel

wildbillhiccup

Posted
  • Author
Posted

Ok. It sounds like I'm in the minority, but I would trade Gausman for Myers. Both are ML players, not prospects; albeit young and still maturing ML players. The Orioles have pitching depth and I guess the Rays feel like they have OF depth, so it plays to the strengths and weaknesses of both teams. You have to give quality to get quality and I think this trade would be a nice move and fit for both teams. I'm high on Myers and think it's way to early to dismiss his minor league numbers and to write him off...even on the defensive end.

All that said, let's get back to the point of the original post. If not Will Myers, who would it take to pry one of them away? Everything has a price and a GM who labels unproven players as "untouchable" is not going to last too long in the position. So who would it take? And let's try to sit the cups of Oriole's Kool Aid down for a few minutes and be somewhat realistic in terms of the value of these three players.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
weams Hangout Grand Counsel

weams

Posted
Posted
Ok. It sounds like I'm in the minority, but I would trade Gausman for Myers. Both are ML players, not prospects; albeit young and still maturing ML players. The Orioles have pitching depth and I guess the Rays feel like they have OF depth, so it plays to the strengths and weaknesses of both teams. You have to give quality to get quality and I think this trade would be a nice move and fit for both teams. I'm high on Myers and think it's way to early to dismiss his minor league numbers and to write him off...even on the defensive end.

All that said, let's get back to the point of the original post. If not Will Myers, who would it take to pry one of them away? Everything has a price and a GM who labels unproven players as "untouchable" is not going to last too long in the position. So who would it take? And let's try to sit the cups of Oriole's Kool Aid down for a few minutes and be somewhat realistic in terms of the value of these three players.

I think Gausman is great and Myers is not. That's all. I'm not going off of three year old hype. The bloom is off Myers a bit.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
weams Hangout Grand Counsel

weams

Posted
Posted
Then what player would it take to convince you to pry one of the big three away? If we're sticking with OFs, what about Pederson?

Gausman is off the block. Period. Pederson is good for Bundy. But they don't trade prospects for prospects. Remember, Joc's AAA stats are all PCL. It matters.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
theobird All-Star

theobird

Posted
Posted

I agree that Gausman is off the bock, but I would trade Bundy for Myers right now. The Rays would laugh at the proposal, so it does not matter. The Bloom is way, way off on Bundy at this point. We have to hope he can make it all the way back because he has very little value right now.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Can_of_corn Hangout Grand Counsel

Can_of_corn

Posted
Posted
I agree that Gausman is off the bock, but I would trade Bundy for Myers right now. The Rays would laugh at the proposal, so it does not matter. The Bloom is way, way off on Bundy at this point. We have to hope he can make it all the way back because he has very little value right now.

The bloom is so off that he is still a top 15 prospect. :rolleyes:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Go to topic listing


  • Posts

    • e16bball
      Walltimore

      By e16bball · Posted

      I don’t like the wall. I think it’s affecting our hitters. I’ve mentioned before that I think it has totally warped Mountcastle into something he was never really meant to be. The guy came up as a pull-heavy HR hitter, and in his first season-plus (725 PAs), he puts up 38 HRs and a 116 wRC+. Since then, the wRC+ is down to 110, and his approach has totally changed, with his pull numbers plummeting (down from 39% in 2021 to less than 28% this year). He still hits the ball hard, but constantly underachieves his batted ball data — probably because he’s trying to avoid the pull field and hitting balls to the deepest parts of pretty much every other park. Will the same thing happen to Mayo? Maybe he has more pure power, but it’s always going to be a challenge for a RH slugger to survive with that wall. So much harder to do damage.   Beyond that, I think it’s also creating a serious risk of changing our LH hitters’ approaches too. These guys (Henderson, Holliday, Cowser, 2/3 of Adley) have come up with a reputation for being able to drive the ball to all fields. But how long does that continue when they just can’t hit it out to the opposite field? Our LH hitters had a combined 44 wRC+ at OPACY, and only one HR. They had the 3rd most balls hit to LF at home by LHHs, but the lowest wRC+ of any team on those balls. The Royals, ironically enough, were the only team that was lower than a 70 wRC+ — that’s how much worse our lefties fared going oppo (at OPACY) than everyone else’s. By player: Gunnar Henderson: 112 wRC+ (51 PAs) Adley Rutschman: 10 wRC+ / .026 ISO (38 PAs) Anthony Santander: 14 wRC+ / .095 ISO (43 PAs) Colton Cowser: 58 wRC+ / .057 ISO (36 PAs) Ryan O’Hearn: 47 wRC+ / .091 ISO (55 PAs) Cedric Mullins: 23 wRC+ / .100 ISO (41 PAs) Jackson Holliday: -72 wRC+ / .000 ISO (16 PAs)   On the road, they had a combined 126 wRC+ (with 9 HRs) going to left field, so it’s not like they’re bad at it. It’s just Death Valley out there in LF for them at OPACY.  How long will it be until these LH guys just start going full pull-happy? Essentially, the opposite of what’s happened with Mountcastle. When (a) your team’s philosophy is to focus on doing damage and (b) you can’t DO damage to the opposite field — the rational endpoint is just to try to pull everything. I don’t think that’s a good outcome. I think it makes them much worse hitters in the other 81 games, and I think it’s a terrible waste of a bunch of really talented hitters with all-field abilities.
    • Pickles
      Elias: Hyde will be back

      By Pickles · Posted

      Which core players beside Adley Rutschman struggled?
    • Pat Kelly
      Elias: Hyde will be back

      By Pat Kelly · Posted

      The entire commentary on Hyde and the team seems odd but have to admit there does seem to be something off.   Team seemed adrift for most of the 2nd half.  A very talented team went off the rails midway through the season mostly due to core players struggling and rookies not performing or filling in adequately for a few injured starters.    None of the position player trade line acquisitions performed that well.     Hyde seemed in over his head or at a loss on how to correct things, but he must have convinced Elias that he has a plan to fix things.  Curious to see what happens with the coaching staff.  
    • Allan Bryant
      What about Tomoyuki Sugano for 2025?

      By Allan Bryant · Posted

      And or give up picks for QO pitchers 
    • Pickles
      Elias: Hyde will be back

      By Pickles · Posted

      They've averaged 92 wins a year the last 3 years in the most difficult environment in the sport with basically the greatest disadvantages in the sport. Something tells me they know a hell of a lot more about this than you do.    
    • Baseball fandom
      Elias: Hyde will be back

      By Baseball fandom · Posted

      Not when they aren't worthy. At minimum the hitting coaches should be el gonezo
    • Pickles
      Elias: Hyde will be back

      By Pickles · Posted

      That is the sign of a stable and successful organization.  Firing people.  Who could argue that?

  • Popular Contributors

×
×
  • Create New...