Ed Rogers attempts a Coup D'etat

[weams]

What Ed Rogers, Chairman of the Toronto Blue Jay is attempting has never been done before.

[OriolesMagic83]

I'm not sure I understand what the CEO of the Blue Jays does. I've read other posters write that he would be responsible for the non-baseball operations of the BJs and represent ownership interests. Its seems like this is a job that Ed Rogers could be doing. Except maybe he's so incompetent he can't do it, but he's put himself in the very complicated and awkward position of trying to steal another baseball team's top executive. This CEO job sounds like it would be best filled by a famous former Blue Jay. If the O's possessed such a position, Cal would be a good choice for it.

[TonySoprano]

I'm not sure I understand what the CEO of the Blue Jays does. I've read other posters write that he would be responsible for the non-baseball operations of the BJs and represent ownership interests. Its seems like this is a job that Ed Rogers could be doing. Except maybe he's so incompetent he can't do it, but he's put himself in the very complicated and awkward position of trying to steal another baseball team's top executive. This CEO job sounds like it would be best filled by a famous former Blue Jay. If the O's possessed such a position, Cal would be a good choice for it.

Peter Angelos is the CEO. Dan wouldn't be getting this job with Toronto, despite earlier reports he would.

[byrdz]

What Ed Rogers, Chairman of the Toronto Blue Jay is attempting has never been done before. Never has a major league baseball team stolen a successful GM from another team and at the same time put a division champion in the same division at a disadvantage by leaving them without a GM. Its never happen that I can find.

Rogers motive is fairly transparent. The Blue Jays have not been to the playoffs in 22 years. Their GM Alex Anthopoulos is in the final year of his contract. Either he wins or he is gone. He has finished 4th, 4th, 4th, 5th and 3rd. The odd are not with him.

The ploy of a promotion of Dan Duquette is a ruse. Yes, he may get a President's title but titles in baseball don't mean much. Dan will likely become the President and GM in waiting. If Anthopoulos fails to make the playoff in 2015 and Dan is the new Blue Jays GM. While Peter Angelos is being made out to be the bad guy for keeping Dan from a promotion the truth is that its likely a lateral move in disguise.

Some may bring up Theo Epstein's move from Boston to Chicago with one year left on his contract. But, in fact, its nothing like what Rogers is trying to pull off. Epstein was in a power struggle with President Larry Lucchino in Boston and they were glad to see Epstein go. The Red Sox granted permission for Epstein to interview. Ben Cherington was the Assistant GM and ready to be promoted in Boston. Not at all like what is happening with Duquette. There is no one ready to take Dan's job. No one with the GM experience that knows the Orioles.

Most of the time when a GM moves from one team to another its because he has failed in his current job. Walt Jocketty was let go from the Cards before he went to the Reds. Sandy Alderson spent time in the Commissioner's office between move from the A's to the Padres to the Mets. You don't find successful GMs stolen from a team the way this is being attempted.

So lets call this what it is. A Heist. An Attempted Robbery of a division rival that is meant to disadvantage them. And the only thing that stands in the way of it being successful in Peter Angelos and his four year contract with Dan. I hope he prevails.

This is my thoughts exactly. The Blue Jays are pulling some low down stuff and you need look no further than the Blue Jays own media for evidence of all this. I hope we weren't expecting the YNESPN to be fair and impartial were we??

Stop trying to break up our band, man!

[orioles119]

Not sure though whether this is a move designed specifically because we are their division rival. I think that gives Ed Rogers way too much credit for being that focused. There is a story in the Toronto News that Ed Rogers apparently got these suggestions at a lunch with Randy Levine, MFYs president.

"Edward Rogers and his good friend Roger Rai, a ?sports consultant? to the Rogers empire, met with New York Yankees president Randy Levine in New York looking for suggestions as to who to hire as the next president.

Levine gave the two friends from their University of Western Ontario days, a pair of names: Kenny Williams of the Chicago White Sox and Duquette.

Now, if you ran a team looking for help hiring a manager, a general manager, a president, or whatever ... would you ask a division rival for help?" http://www.torontosun.com/2015/01/14/rumours-swirl-around-blue-jays-orioles

It would disadvantage us certainly, but it disadvantaged the Twins even more given their two World Series appearances with Macphail. I know the other examples are managers, however, they were unprecedented too (until they happened.) I still think that the most likely scenario is for this to not happen or, if it does, I predict an unexpectedly large haul from the Jays.

If that's the case, then bring the Yankees up on tampering charges too.

[TonySoprano]

Stop trying to break up our band, man!

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[MarylandAaron]

If I were Angelos, I'd be pressing charges on the Jays and Skanks with the quickness. This is absolutely out of control. Our division rivals conspiring against us and MLB does NOTHING.

[OriolesMagic83]

If I were Angelos, I'd be pressing charges on the Jays and Skanks with the quickness. This is absolutely out of control. Our division rivals conspiring against us and MLB does NOTHING.

MLB isn't doing nothing. They are trying to get the O's to let DD leave for a better job and receive little or nothing in return.

[El Gordo]

MLB isn't doing nothing. They are trying to get the O's to let DD leave for a better job and receive little or nothing in return.

What is your source for this? It seems to me PA has the BJ's for tampering as well as having them over a barrel for compensation. I doubt Dan goes anywhere unless the B's are dumb enough to give up their farm.

[TonySoprano]

What is your source for this? It seems to me PA has the BJ's for tampering as well as having them over a barrel for compensation. I doubt Dan goes anywhere unless the B's are dumb enough to give up their farm.

"MLB has reached out to O's too"

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>The Jays have reached out to O's repeatedly about Duquette, and MLB has reached out to O's, too, as reported before.</p>— Buster Olney (@Buster_ESPN) <a href="

">January 15, 2015</a></blockquote>

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[mdbdotcom]

"MLB has reached out to O's too"

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>The Jays have reached out to O's repeatedly about Duquette, and MLB has reached out to O's, too, as reported before.</p>— Buster Olney (@Buster_ESPN) <a href="

">January 15, 2015</a></blockquote>

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Angelos has become MLB's favorite whipping boy:

1) Conspiring with Gnats on MASN

2) Awarding of All Star Game to San Diego

3) Lobbying for O's to give up their GM for nothing

I've suspected from the beginning of Dukeygate that the leaks to the press were coming from MLB rather than the Blue Jays. All the national reporters who routinely break stories have moles in MLB who feed them info. The fact that MLB is "reaching out" to the O's to let Duquette go reinforces my suspicion.

[weams]

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/6837424/baseball-toronto-blue-jays-suspicion-again-stealing-signs-rogers-centre

http://thebaseballcodes.com/2011/08/10/accusations-against-the-blue-jays-explode-sign-stealing-at-the-rogers-centre/

Toronto’s home run rate on contact at home last season was 5.4 percent, about 50 percent higher than on the road, yet their opponents hit fewer homers in Toronto than at a neutral ballpark.

From 2005-09, the Rogers Centre saw .002 more home runs for every ball put in play than average. In 2010, that number shot up to .011—but only for the Blue Jays.

In 2010, the Blue Jays had the highest isolated power (slugging percentage minus batting average) of any team since 1954—most of which came at home. (The 150 homers they hit in Toronto were three shy of the all-time home record set by the Rangers in 2005.)

Seven Blue Jays regulars had an OPS at least 50 points higher at home than on the road; six of them were more than 100 points higher; three were 200 points higher.

[Bradysburns]

1. Gillick left when his contract was up. He wasn't shown the door by Angelos. He had no desire to return.

2. Duquette can't just resign from the Orioles and then sign with the Blue Jays.

Eh, on number one here... I think that's an oversimplification of what really went down. As I recall, Angelos basically forced him out, or made circumstances so miserable that he wanted out. I think one of the big issues was PA undermining and overruling Gillick, which for anyone with Gillick's pedigree was just ridiculous. (I'm talking about not letting Gillick trade aging stars for younger talent, etc., and the Aaron Sele controversy...)

To me, chasing Gillick out was the beginning of the long winter of discontent in Oriole land.

[Bradysburns]

"MLB has reached out to O's too"

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>The Jays have reached out to O's repeatedly about Duquette, and MLB has reached out to O's, too, as reported before.</p>— Buster Olney (@Buster_ESPN) <a href="

">January 15, 2015</a></blockquote>

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This is outrageous. If that's true... that MLB is pressuring Angelos to give up his GM, that would be REALLY bad... I would think there would be legal implications. The more I hear, the more I hope PA sticks to his guns. How utterly disrespectful and classless on both Toronto and MLB's part. Times like these I'm kinda glad we have a grumpy old lawyer for an owner.

Again, you'd think this would open the door to giving DD the same title and responsibility here in Baltimore. It makes so much sense.

[mdbdotcom]

Eh, on number one here... I think that's an oversimplification of what really went down. As I recall, Angelos basically forced him out, or made circumstances so miserable that he wanted out. I think one of the big issues was PA undermining and overruling Gillick, which for anyone with Gillick's pedigree was just ridiculous. (I'm talking about not letting Gillick trade aging stars for younger talent, etc., and the Aaron Sele controversy...)

To me, chasing Gillick out was the beginning of the long winter of discontent in Oriole land.

Your point may be correct, but I was responding to this -

He has been the one to tell his employees when they may leave (see Pat Gillick, Davey Johnson, etc. etc.), not the other way 'round.

I was merely stating the fact that Gillick was not held against his will and wasn't fired. When his contract was up he wanted out, and so he left. The situation was very different with Davey Johnson, who Angelos wanted out because of the conflict of interest with his wife's charity.