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I'd spend the money and re-sign Davis(1B/RF). I obviously wouldn't go crazy on the contract, but I would pay the market rate if Davis keeps showing the versatility to play a competent RF in Camden. Id then look to rotate Mancini(1B/DH vs LHP) and Paredes (RF/DH vs RHP).

If you aren't willing to go crazy, you aren't re-signing him.

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Then they're in a lot of trouble going forward. Alvarez isn't the answer. Nor is anyone in the minors for the OF.

We are seeing how much trouble the O's offense is in due to having to sign Parra. And then the other OF spot is a black hole. With Davis, Wieters gone and nearly every AAAA/fringey player picked up by Duquette failing (Parmelee, Snider, Lough, De Aza, Young, etc.)...what are the O's going to do with nearly $50m+ off the books next season?

At some point, you have to open the pocketbook for the RIGHT player. And I don't know about you, but:

Heyward will be 26 at the start of next season. He's put up 4-6 WAR per season. He's solid offensively. He's solid defensively. He's young. The O's HAVE to make a play for him. Look at this cluster of a list of FA OF'ers next season:

Left Fielders

Jeff Baker (35)

Willie Bloomquist (38)

Yoenis Cespedes (30)

Endy Chavez (38)

Tyler Colvin (30)

Rajai Davis (35)

Alejandro De Aza (32)

David DeJesus (36) ? $5MM club option with a $1MM buyout

Chris Denorfia (35)

Jonny Gomes (35) ? $3MM vesting/club option

Alex Gordon (32) ? $12.5MM player option

Matt Joyce (31)

Don Kelly (36)

Nate McLouth (34) ? $6.5MM club option with a $750K buyout

David Murphy (34) ? $7MM club option with a $500K buyout

Gerardo Parra (29)

Steve Pearce (33)

Sean Rodriguez (31)

Ryan Sweeney (31) ? $2.5MM club option with a $500K buyout

Justin Upton (28)

Chris B. Young (32)

Delmon Young (30)

Center Fielders

Endy Chavez (38)

Rajai Davis (35)

Alejandro De Aza (32)

David DeJesus (36) ? $5MM club option with a $1MM buyout

Dexter Fowler (30)

Tony Gwynn Jr. (33)

Austin Jackson (29)

Nate McLouth (34) ? $6.5MM club option with a $750K buyout

Gerardo Parra (29)

Colby Rasmus (29)

Cody Ross (35) ? $9.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout

Skip Schumaker (36) ? $2.5MM club option with a $500K buyout

Grady Sizemore (33)

Denard Span (32)

Drew Stubbs (31)

Ryan Sweeney (31) ? $2.5MM club option with a $500K buyout

Shane Victorino (35)

Right Fielders

Nori Aoki (34) ? $5.5MM club option with a $700K buyout

Jeff Baker (35)

Jose Bautista (35) ? $14MM club option with a $1MM buyout

Marlon Byrd (38) ? $8MM vesting option

Endy Chavez (38)

David DeJesus (36) ? $5MM club option with a $1MM buyout

Chris Denorfia (35)

Jason Heyward (26)

Torii Hunter (40)

Matt Joyce (31)

Nate McLouth (34) ? $6.5MM club option with a $750K buyout

David Murphy (34) ? $7MM club option with a $500K buyout

Gerardo Parra (29)

Carlos Quentin (33)

Ryan Raburn (35) ? $3MM club option with a $100K buyout

Cody Ross (35) ? $9.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout

Ichiro Suzuki (42)

Ryan Sweeney (31) ? $2.5MM club option with a $500K buyout

Justin Upton (28)

Will Venable (33)

Shane Victorino (35)

Chris B. Young (32)

Austin Jackson may be a nice buy low option. He was a pretty solid player until he got to the Mariners

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If you aren't willing to go crazy, you aren't re-signing him.

Not necessarily true. He strikes out a ton, he's 30, he's very streaky and plays a non-premium position defensively. There are reasons his market will be limited.

And when I say crazy, i mean a Fielder type contract at 24M per. Adrian Gonzalez was the same age (30) and signed a 7/154M (22M per). But he is a better defender and was averaging 285/385/530 (915)

I think Ryan Zimmerman is a better comp (6/100M, 16.6M per). As is Jason Werth (7/126M, 18M per) and Choo (7/130M, 18.5M per).

I'd offer the Zimmerman contract and then increase it 10M if needed. So 6/100 and then 6/110. I think that is competitive, but not 'Crazy'.

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Not necessarily true. He strikes out a ton, he's 30, he's very streaky and plays a non-premium position defensively. There are reasons his market will be limited.

And when I say crazy, i mean a Fielder type contract at 24M per. Adrian Gonzalez was the same age (30) and signed a 7/154M (22M per). But he is a better defender and was averaging 285/385/530 (915)

I think Ryan Zimmerman is a better comp (6/100M, 16.6M per). As is Jason Werth (7/126M, 18M per) and Choo (7/130M, 18.5M per).

I'd offer the Zimmerman contract and then increase it 10M if needed. So 6/100 and then 6/110. I think that is competitive, but not 'Crazy'.

6/100 M sounds about right to me. But would the O's pay that?
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Looking at that pathetic list of FA outfielders makes me shudder to think what the few quality guys will get.

I think Upton and Heyward are almost sure things for contracts in the 150 mil range averaging 20 + mil per.

Cespedes will get paid too. Want nothing to do with that guy.

Parra, Fowler, Span. That is the next level of players that could maybe upgrade someone's outfield and who else is there? The supply is so low I see those guys getting a lot more than they are going to be worth. But we have to do something about the OF this offseason.

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Looking at that pathetic list of FA outfielders makes me shudder to think what the few quality guys will get.

I think Upton and Heyward are almost sure things for contracts in the 150 mil range averaging 20 + mil per.

Cespedes will get paid too. Want nothing to do with that guy.

Parra, Fowler, Span. That is the next level of players that could maybe upgrade someone's outfield and who else is there? The supply is so low I see those guys getting a lot more than they are going to be worth. But we have to do something about the OF this offseason.

I'd add Joyce and Jackson to those 3.
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I'd add Joyce and Jackson to those 3.

They've both been pretty bad this year. Joyce is strictly a platoon guy. Jackson would be of more use to a team needing a CFer. I don't see either guy providing much of an upgrade for us offensively.

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He's older, more injury prone,

and more expensive.

I forgot about Gordon. He will be 32 next season and cost way too much. If we are going to break the bank it needs to be for Upton or Heyward. I see us more likely landing one of Parra, Fowler, or Span.

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