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We agree on where the team is right now. I guess we have different definitions of "close to a very good offseason". To me, spending a lot of money to tread water is not a good strategy. I would rather we go all in and get a legitimate top of the rotation pitcher, or make some moves that help us in the long term.

We might have gotten a decent haul if we had traded Chen last year before the deadline.

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It's unfortunate we are in this situation. But it could be much worse considering we had Davis,Oday,Weiters as free agents and they are back. So my outlook is we are a solid team that needs some pieces and here is the problem we again are in this hope someone steps up situation. I don't think going into this year that we thought 3 out of would be back. So here is to Dylan Bundy and Hunter Harvey filling the gap . Latos would be a good reach but honestly no one left is worth the pick.

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We agree on where the team is right now. I guess we have different definitions of "close to a very good offseason". To me, spending a lot of money to tread water is not a good strategy. I would rather we go all in and get a legitimate top of the rotation pitcher, or make some moves that help us in the long term.

I think this post is very poor. I just would like to ask, what you would have done this offseason?

It is easy to say things like "tread water" or "long term". I may be wrong about your post and perhaps have missed what you have advocated all fall/winter. I am prepared to say I misread your post. Please enlighten me. Thanks in advance.

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I think this post is very poor. I just would like to ask, what you would have done this offseason?

It is easy to say things like "tread water" or "long term". I may be wrong about your post and perhaps have missed what you have advocated all fall/winter. I am prepared to say I misread your post. Please enlighten me. Thanks in advance.

I wanted to go all in on Price and roll with Mancini, Kim or Aoki, and maybe another inexpensive bat like Morneau or Pedro Alvarez. Failing that, I would have at least gotten one of Chen, Zimmerman, Cueto, or Kazmir, then fill holes around the pitcher.

I absolutely would not have offered Davis $150M off the bat. I would have offered maybe $100M and let him walk if necessary. I would not have spent $40M on O'Day, as much as I love O'Day.

I probably would have ended up with something like Chen and Cespedes (plus a comp pick for Davis walking) for the same dollars os O'Day and Davis.

Our big problem last year was pitching and DD has done nothing to address it. As much as I want to root for our guys, I just don't think they are good enough to assume they are going to bounce back to 2014.

I will admit I would have made the QO to Wieters and gotten stuck with him.

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I wanted to go all in on Price and roll with Mancini, Kim or Aoki, and maybe another inexpensive bat like Morneau or Pedro Alvarez. Failing that, I would have at least gotten one of Chen, Zimmerman, Cueto, or Kazmir, then fill holes around the pitcher.

I absolutely would not have offered Davis $150M off the bat. I would have offered maybe $100M and let him walk if necessary. I would not have spent $40M on O'Day, as much as I love O'Day.

I probably would have ended up with something like Chen and Cespedes (plus a comp pick for Davis walking) for the same dollars os O'Day and Davis.

Our big problem last year was pitching and DD has done nothing to address it. As much as I want to root for our guys, I just don't think they are good enough to assume they are going to bounce back to 2014.

I will admit I would have made the QO to Wieters and gotten stuck with him.

You ignore the elephant in the room. PA. He would not allow you to spend on Price, Greinke, Zimmerman, or Cueto, Nor would he have let you do the deal LAD did with Kazmir. And he would not have permitted the deal with Chen. Fister would never have passed the physical. As long as PA is owner SP will have to come from in house or from trades.
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I wanted to go all in on Price and roll with Mancini, Kim or Aoki, and maybe another inexpensive bat like Morneau or Pedro Alvarez. Failing that, I would have at least gotten one of Chen, Zimmerman, Cueto, or Kazmir, then fill holes around the pitcher.

I absolutely would not have offered Davis $150M off the bat. I would have offered maybe $100M and let him walk if necessary. I would not have spent $40M on O'Day, as much as I love O'Day.

I probably would have ended up with something like Chen and Cespedes (plus a comp pick for Davis walking) for the same dollars os O'Day and Davis.

Our big problem last year was pitching and DD has done nothing to address it. As much as I want to root for our guys, I just don't think they are good enough to assume they are going to bounce back to 2014.

I will admit I would have made the QO to Wieters and gotten stuck with him.

Any plan dependent on ace pitchers lining up to sign with the Orioles to pitch in OPACY vs. the AL East is not really a plan. You talk about it so matter-of-factly as if it is a piece of cake to sign one of these guys. Not realistic, IMO.

Looks to me like you would have ended up with a much worse team than what we have now. No Davis, no O'day, no SP, no Cespedes. Cespedes was pretty clearly set on signing with a New York team.

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Any plan dependent on ace pitchers lining up to sign with the Orioles to pitch in OPACY vs. the AL East is not really a plan. You talk about it so matter-of-factly as if it is a piece of cake to sign one of these guys. Not realistic, IMO.

Looks to me like you would have ended up with a much worse team than what we have now. No Davis, no O'day, no SP, no Cespedes. Cespedes was pretty clearly set on signing with a New York team.

Price is pitching in the AL East. How is that such a dealbreaker? The bigger issue is the money and of course I understand we are a smaller market. I think we realistically could have come up with the money to sign Kazmir. Rumor was he would have taken a 4 year deal if anyone had offered one.

I fully admit my team may be less competitive in 2016. But I would have had at least one more draft pick and less money tied up in long term contracts.

You ignore the elephant in the room. PA. He would not allow you to spend on Price, Greinke, Zimmerman, or Cueto, Nor would he have let you do the deal LAD did with Kazmir. And he would not have permitted the deal with Chen. Fister would never have passed the physical. As long as PA is owner SP will have to come from in house or from trades.

I am not blaming DD at all. You are right, the Davis deal has Angelos' hands all over it. O'Day probably does too. That does not change the fact that this has not been a good offseason. We have the same team minus our best pitcher and we are now a lot more expensive with less flexibility to rebuild if it comes to that. We are still a .500 team, in my opinion.

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Price is pitching in the AL East. How is that such a dealbreaker? The bigger issue is the money and of course I understand we are a smaller market. I think we realistically could have come up with the money to sign Kazmir. Rumor was he would have taken a 4 year deal if anyone had offered one.

I fully admit my team may be less competitive in 2016. But I would have had at least one more draft pick and less money tied up in long term contracts.

I am not blaming DD at all. You are right, the Davis deal has Angelos' hands all over it. O'Day probably does too. That does not change the fact that this has not been a good offseason. We have the same team minus our best pitcher and we are now a lot more expensive with less flexibility to rebuild if it comes to that. We are still a .500 team, in my opinion.

I wasn't even talking about Price. I'm surprised that you are even attempting to pretend that Price was a possibility. As has been discussed at length, The Dodgers blew everyone away on Kazmir. The Orioles and others were talking to him about $12-13 million per year for 3 years. The Dodgers came along and offered the 4th year money without the 4th year on the contract. 4/$48. No other team was close. On top of that, they threw in an opt out. If the Dodgers want a pitcher, they get him. We can't compete with their money, ballpark, or league for a pitcher. You are kidding yourself on this.

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I wasn't even talking about Price. I'm surprised that you are even attempting to pretend that Price was a possibility. As has been discussed at length, The Dodgers blew everyone away on Kazmir. The Orioles and others were talking to him about $12-13 million per year for 3 years. The Dodgers came along and offered the 4th year money without the 4th year on the contract. 4/$48. No other team was close. On top of that, they threw in an opt out. If the Dodgers want a pitcher, they get him. We can't compete with their money, ballpark, or league for a pitcher. You are kidding yourself on this.

Typo. 3/$48.

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Price is pitching in the AL East. How is that such a dealbreaker? The bigger issue is the money and of course I understand we are a smaller market. I think we realistically could have come up with the money to sign Kazmir. Rumor was he would have taken a 4 year deal if anyone had offered one.

I fully admit my team may be less competitive in 2016. But I would have had at least one more draft pick and less money tied up in long term contracts.

I am not blaming DD at all. You are right, the Davis deal has Angelos' hands all over it. O'Day probably does too. That does not change the fact that this has not been a good offseason. We have the same team minus our best pitcher and we are now a lot more expensive with less flexibility to rebuild if it comes to that. We are still a .500 team, in my opinion.

PA is a reality. By ignoring him you are ignoring reality. This isn't fantasy baseball. This is as good an offseason as the obstacles will permit.
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I wasn't even talking about Price. I'm surprised that you are even attempting to pretend that Price was a possibility. As has been discussed at length, The Dodgers blew everyone away on Kazmir. The Orioles and others were talking to him about $12-13 million per year for 3 years. The Dodgers came along and offered the 4th year money without the 4th year on the contract. 4/$48. No other team was close. On top of that, they threw in an opt out. If the Dodgers want a pitcher, they get him. We can't compete with their money, ballpark, or league for a pitcher. You are kidding yourself on this.

I only mentioned Price because someone said free agents won't pitch in the AL East. My very next sentence was that I understand he was out of our price range.

You may be right about Kazmir. It's possible that there is no move to make our pitching competitive this year. I have to think that with $200M to spend we could have gotten someone. Even if it's true that DD and Angelos played the market perfectly in a bad situation, the bottom line is that we have not improved short term or long term. I can't see how anyone think this is a "good offseason" when that is the result.

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I only mentioned Price because someone said free agents won't pitch in the AL East. My very next sentence was that I understand he was out of our price range.

You may be right about Kazmir. It's possible that there is no move to make our pitching competitive this year. I have to think that with $200M to spend we could have gotten someone. Even if it's true that DD and Angelos played the market perfectly in a bad situation, the bottom line is that we have not improved short term or long term. I can't see how anyone think this is a "good offseason" when that is the result.

We will never have a good off season with PA as owner. Given that this was about as good as it gets. And it's not over IMO. We will get a SP who will be better than Norris and a LH bat to platoon in RF.
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PA is a reality. By ignoring him you are ignoring reality. This isn't fantasy baseball. This is as good an offseason as the obstacles will permit.

I agree with you there. But I would say a good offseason relative to bad circumstances is a not a good offseason. You are talking about Duquette's process. I am talking about the results.

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